Fire Todd Bowles

[emby]

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I'm not ready to blow this up.

When Brady left, we were in cap hell and the prevailing wisdom was to complete the tank, jettison the coaching staff and do a rebuild. My point was that if we're going to have a HC who had to eat the post Brady fallout with no cap space, why not Bowles?

I'd let him work this year and next, and if he doesn't win the division in at least one of them, be ready to move on from not just Bowles, but Baker as well because whomever the next coach is, they'll want their own guy

[The Outsider]

I'm not ready to blow this up.

When Brady left, we were in cap hell and the prevailing wisdom was to complete the tank, jettison the coaching staff and do a rebuild. My point was that if we're going to have a HC who had to eat the post Brady fallout with no cap space, why not Bowles?

I'd let him work this year and next, and if he doesn't win the division in at least one of them, be ready to move on from not just Bowles, but Baker as well because whomever the next coach is, they'll want their own guy

We do have cap space though. We're not the Saints. We've been able to retain our guys and sign FA. Bowles is the problem with the team. No HC worth a damn is going to look at Baker's play over the last year and a half and want to replace him.

I don't think we need to blow the whole thing up. I think we go from Bowles to Coen (or some other offensive minded coach), do our best to retain Coen, get a proven DC, and repeat what we did going from Koetter to BA.

Forget this narrative that a HC is going to want to blow everything up and bring in all new guys. Anyone who looks at this team and comes to that conclusion isn't worth interviewing, let alone hiring.

We have a good football team. We have a great offense (especially when healthy), and our defense is actually really fucking good outside of 2 players, primarily, in Funderburk and Britt. Our Head Coach/DC is just known, proudly so, for not making adjustments to his defensive style. Inflexibility rarely grants success in the long run.

Another good example of what I'm advocating is our move from Dungy to Gruden. Dungy was a good coach, but he was inflexible as shit. Gruden would do whatever he had to do to win games and while his personality got tired and the league passed his offensive style by eventually he was still a really good coach.

[The Outsider]

I just argued with Greg Auman that cutting Camarda over Gill was fucking dumb and he ended up conceding. I am now sports media.

[emby]

I just argued with Greg Auman that cutting Camarda over Gill was fucking dumb and he ended up conceding. I am now sports media.

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[emby]

I'm not ready to blow this up.

When Brady left, we were in cap hell and the prevailing wisdom was to complete the tank, jettison the coaching staff and do a rebuild. My point was that if we're going to have a HC who had to eat the post Brady fallout with no cap space, why not Bowles?

I'd let him work this year and next, and if he doesn't win the division in at least one of them, be ready to move on from not just Bowles, but Baker as well because whomever the next coach is, they'll want their own guy

We do have cap space though. We're not the Saints. We've been able to retain our guys and sign FA. Bowles is the problem with the team. No HC worth a damn is going to look at Baker's play over the last year and a half and want to replace him.

I don't think we need to blow the whole thing up. I think we go from Bowles to Coen (or some other offensive minded coach), do our best to retain Coen, get a proven DC, and repeat what we did going from Koetter to BA.

Forget this narrative that a HC is going to want to blow everything up and bring in all new guys. Anyone who looks at this team and comes to that conclusion isn't worth interviewing, let alone hiring.

We have a good football team. We have a great offense (especially when healthy), and our defense is actually really fucking good outside of 2 players, primarily, in Funderburk and Britt. Our Head Coach/DC is just known, proudly so, for not making adjustments to his defensive style. Inflexibility rarely grants success in the long run.

Another good example of what I'm advocating is our move from Dungy to Gruden. Dungy was a good coach, but he was inflexible as shit. Gruden would do whatever he had to do to win games and while his personality got tired and the league passed his offensive style by eventually he was still a really good coach.

"Hey, mister head coach candidate. You won't have final say on the coaching staff or the final roster because despite firing your predecessor, we don't think you can put together a better team than he did. Sign here so we can fire you after twenty two games for your ineptitude. Sign here."


I just don't think that's the way out. If we go 8-9 in an injury plagued year, that seat is red hot a year from now if we're not in first place for the division. That's when I consider waxing Bowles.

[The Outsider]

I'm not ready to blow this up.

When Brady left, we were in cap hell and the prevailing wisdom was to complete the tank, jettison the coaching staff and do a rebuild. My point was that if we're going to have a HC who had to eat the post Brady fallout with no cap space, why not Bowles?

I'd let him work this year and next, and if he doesn't win the division in at least one of them, be ready to move on from not just Bowles, but Baker as well because whomever the next coach is, they'll want their own guy

We do have cap space though. We're not the Saints. We've been able to retain our guys and sign FA. Bowles is the problem with the team. No HC worth a damn is going to look at Baker's play over the last year and a half and want to replace him.

I don't think we need to blow the whole thing up. I think we go from Bowles to Coen (or some other offensive minded coach), do our best to retain Coen, get a proven DC, and repeat what we did going from Koetter to BA.

Forget this narrative that a HC is going to want to blow everything up and bring in all new guys. Anyone who looks at this team and comes to that conclusion isn't worth interviewing, let alone hiring.

We have a good football team. We have a great offense (especially when healthy), and our defense is actually really fucking good outside of 2 players, primarily, in Funderburk and Britt. Our Head Coach/DC is just known, proudly so, for not making adjustments to his defensive style. Inflexibility rarely grants success in the long run.

Another good example of what I'm advocating is our move from Dungy to Gruden. Dungy was a good coach, but he was inflexible as shit. Gruden would do whatever he had to do to win games and while his personality got tired and the league passed his offensive style by eventually he was still a really good coach.

"Hey, mister head coach candidate. You won't have final say on the coaching staff or the final roster because despite firing your predecessor, we don't think you can put together a better team than he did. Sign here so we can fire you after twenty two games for your ineptitude. Sign here."


I just don't think that's the way out. If we go 8-9 in an injury plagued year, that seat is red hot a year from now if we're not in first place for the division. That's when I consider waxing Bowles.

There's a giant fucking stretch between that and looking at a team and seeing that there are core guys you want to keep because they'd be studs on any team a la Baker, Mike, Godwin, Bucky, Wirfs, Goedeke, Lavonte, Vita, Kancey, Diaby, McCollum, and Winfield specifically. Barton is also working his way into that. They may want to re-tool the roster but a HC would have to be retarded to get rid of any of the guys named above considering they're all proven to be team friendly in terms of contract negotiations and they're all performing at a high level (contract negotiation stuff obviously doesn't apply to the guys still on rookie deals).

I don't care if you get rid of Mauch, Bredeson, McMillan, Palmer, or any defender I didn't name above. As long as you keep the core talent and get someone who is a great talent evaluator to build depth you're good.

And finally, our issues aren't injury related. Bowles looked at Dennis and Britt as our sole #2 ILBs and said, "Yeah, even though one of these guys is physically capable of being effective in my scheme we're good to go with this." Why not bring in a free agent? The corpse of Barrett Ruud would be better than KJ Britt. Same with the secondary. After Dean and McCollum we have Izien (who can't play on the boundary) and some mother fucker named Funderkburk. Our backup safety is Merriweather. I don't think Todd has 100% roster control, but I do think that if he looked at the team and thought depth was a problem he'd get the players he thought he needed without argument. But instead he looked at what we had, said YOLO, and now we're paying the price for that lack of forethought.

[emby]

I don't think it's as simple as plugging a new head coach and defensive coordinator unless the head coach is a heavy hitter hire.

As for promoting the hot coordinator, I'll admit that he calls a better game than coach press conference did last year, but Baker is playing out of his mind right now and that has to be in the calculous.

[The Outsider]

I don't think it's as simple as plugging a new head coach and defensive coordinator unless the head coach is a heavy hitter hire.

As for promoting the hot coordinator, I'll admit that he calls a better game than coach press conference did last year, but Baker is playing out of his mind right now and that has to be in the calculous.

Baker is playing the way he is playing in part due to the scheme. Not downplaying his ability, but he thrived in Coen's system immediately in LA for the few games he was there after Carolina.

I just feel like I've been around long enough to tell if a HC has it, and Bowles doesn't. If your team is talented and healthy he'll get you to the playoffs more or less every year, may even have a deep run. But outside of a god damn miracle he's never winning a SB as HC and that's really all I care about at this point given we're right on the fringe of being a legitimate contender.

[PetePierson]

Happy Birthday Coach!

[nybf]

@The Outsider i have ban rights, yes?

[The Outsider]

@The Outsider i have ban rights, yes?

Yep, you and MB are site admins. You have access to every functionality I do.