Is it still too soon to call this race for Harris?

[emby]

Bottom post of the previous page:

I think you're both suffering from same ailment I usually suffer from, emotion is clouding your logic.

I don't see a blowout in either direction. But if I had to bet, I'd go the other way.

How do the tea leaves tell you that? Do you see any momentum coming from Trump because I don't?

I think women are reeeeally pissed off.

[The Outsider]

I think you're both suffering from same ailment I usually suffer from, emotion is clouding your logic.

I don't see a blowout in either direction. But if I had to bet, I'd go the other way.

I think most of the states I mentioned are outliers for sure, but all of what would typically be considered major swing states have consistently shown Harris widening an already decent lead. It may not be a blowout of epic proportions but this isn't 2016, Kamala isn't Hillary, and the Democrats are doing better in terms of the numbers, the narrative, and the campaigning than they did in 2020. And they won in 2020. I also think Harris has somehow become a more popular candidate than Biden was in 2020, and I think Walz was one of the better VP picks in a long time in terms of courting middle America and the reasonable right.

Edit: And Trump has JD Vance, Hatians eating pets in Springfield, OH, dancing to Ave Maria for 40 minutes at a town hall for some reason, and a concept of a plan. 34 felonies, so many of his former staff coming out against him it may as well be all of them, his own VP won't endorse him, and he regularly says things that are either simply nonsensical or outright fucking wild like all this Hitler shit he's been saying recently.

[PetePierson]

How do the tea leaves tell you that? Do you see any momentum coming from Trump because I don't?

I think women are reeeeally pissed off.

Based on my posts recently, I spend way too much time on the Tweeter Box. Obviously that platform has done a 180. So I understand the obvious bias. But there seems to be a lot of support there.

But more realistically, Trump has gained a large swath of the LP, specifically the Mises Caucus. I also feel that there are Independents that will support RFK Jr. And now Elon & Ron Paul are playing footsies? That will energize any actual GOP male... if any are out there.

I also refuse to believe that abortion is the most important issue of our time. Yes, well aware women vote more than men but that is all the Dems are running on.

Again, could be 100% incorrect. Just my $0.02.

[PetePierson]

I think most of the states I mentioned are outliers for sure, but all of what would typically be considered major swing states have consistently shown Harris widening an already decent lead. It may not be a blowout of epic proportions but this isn't 2016, Kamala isn't Hillary, and the Democrats are doing better in terms of the numbers, the narrative, and the campaigning than they did in 2020. And they won in 2020. I also think Harris has somehow become a more popular candidate than Biden was in 2020, and I think Walz was one of the better VP picks in a long time in terms of courting middle America and the reasonable right.

Edit: And Trump has JD Vance, Hatians eating pets in Springfield, OH, dancing to Ave Maria for 40 minutes at a town hall for some reason, and a concept of a plan. 34 felonies, so many of his former staff coming out against him it may as well be all of them, his own VP won't endorse him, and he regularly says things that are either simply nonsensical or outright fucking wild like all this Hitler shit he's been saying recently.

While I don't disagree she's more palatable to the Party than Joe was in 2016. But that's a low fucking bar based on Joey's approval rating majority of his term.

To me, she's no different than Hillary with an Abortion kicker. At some point not being Trump & Most Important Election of our lifetime will become old to the mindless plebs.

[The Outsider]

I think most of the states I mentioned are outliers for sure, but all of what would typically be considered major swing states have consistently shown Harris widening an already decent lead. It may not be a blowout of epic proportions but this isn't 2016, Kamala isn't Hillary, and the Democrats are doing better in terms of the numbers, the narrative, and the campaigning than they did in 2020. And they won in 2020. I also think Harris has somehow become a more popular candidate than Biden was in 2020, and I think Walz was one of the better VP picks in a long time in terms of courting middle America and the reasonable right.

Edit: And Trump has JD Vance, Hatians eating pets in Springfield, OH, dancing to Ave Maria for 40 minutes at a town hall for some reason, and a concept of a plan. 34 felonies, so many of his former staff coming out against him it may as well be all of them, his own VP won't endorse him, and he regularly says things that are either simply nonsensical or outright fucking wild like all this Hitler shit he's been saying recently.

While I don't disagree she's more palatable to the Party than Joe was in 2016. But that's a low fucking bar based on Joey's approval rating majority of his term.

To me, she's no different than Hillary with an Abortion kicker. At some point not being Trump & Most Important Election of our lifetime will become old to the mindless plebs.

If she's no different than Hillary to you then you obviously hasn't paid attention. Which isn't surprising, because I know you weren't Pokemon Go'ing to the polls anyway.

[PetePierson]

If she's no different than Hillary to you then you obviously hasn't paid attention. Which isn't surprising, because I know you weren't Pokemon Go'ing to the polls anyway.

I feel like I should be insulted but I don't get it?

She's different in that maybe she is more likable. Harris certainly has nowhere the intelligence or political savvy of HillDog.

[The Outsider]

If she's no different than Hillary to you then you obviously hasn't paid attention. Which isn't surprising, because I know you weren't Pokemon Go'ing to the polls anyway.

I feel like I should be insulted but I don't get it?

She's different in that maybe she is more likable. Harris certainly has nowhere the intelligence or political savvy of HillDog.

Ah, nah that wasn't intended as an insult. My quip about you not voting is simply because I know you don't like either of the candidates and the Pokemon Go think was me taking a shot at Hillary for being one of the most out of touch bitches I've ever seen.

In terms of Harris vs Hillary straight up? Hillary has experience, obviously, she's been around high levels of Federal government for a long time. But one only needs to listen to Harris speak and look at her record as a legislator and an attorney to know she's highly intelligent. In terms of political savvy? That's one of Hillary's worst attributes. She very much gives this vibe:



Harris is a better orator, she's better at emoting, she's better at reading her supporters, and most of all she doesn't give off that heavy vibe that she feels entitled to the job. I thought Hillary was a solid candidate in that she's very strong on foreign policy but she came off as so entitled that I wouldn't have voted for her if the opponent had been anyone but the orange pustule on America's sack we call Donald Trump.

[PetePierson]

Ah, nah that wasn't intended as an insult. My quip about you not voting is simply because I know you don't like either of the candidates and the Pokemon Go think was me taking a shot at Hillary for being one of the most out of touch bitches I've ever seen.

In terms of Harris vs Hillary straight up? Hillary has experience, obviously, she's been around high levels of Federal government for a long time. But one only needs to listen to Harris speak and look at her record as a legislator and an attorney to know she's highly intelligent. In terms of political savvy? That's one of Hillary's worst attributes. She very much gives this vibe:



Harris is a better orator, she's better at emoting, she's better at reading her supporters, and most of all she doesn't give off that heavy vibe that she feels entitled to the job. I thought Hillary was a solid candidate in that she's very strong on foreign policy but she came off as so entitled that I wouldn't have voted for her if the opponent had been anyone but the orange pustule on America's sack we call Donald Trump.

Gotcha. I’m not Bootzing, I genuinely believe it will be close. There are a good number (relatively speaking) of Librarians on the State & Local ballots. I’ve become friendly with Mike Ross (running for Governor) so was always going to vote locally.

No, it’s not an apt or fair comparison based on HilDog being entrenched with Billy in the system. Shit, they are the system. Side note: Would Bill still be considered a Dem by the current caucus based on his accomplishments in office?

I dont find Harris particularly intelligent or a good orator. Shes most certainly improved since 2020 (low bar). And you & I both know this “softer” Kamala is an act. A bad one at that. She was also very authoritarian in the most populous state in the Union. I would never want a former AG as a ruler.

Regardless, I think shit is about to get wild……again.

[emby]

Harris is by no means a perfect candidate, but she's been the better candidate this election.

With trump out of the picture, no excuses for this administration. She's going to need to deliver. Specifically on wages, child tax credit, and price controls.

Replacing Alito and Thomas with a couple of 45 year old cultural marxists and sanctions on Israel until they remember who the puppet is.

Am I getting all that? I had better. If madam president thinks she can do the minimum and assume I'm going to have a panic attack in 2028 while she runs against JD Vance or Tulsi Gabbard she's got another thing coming.

Trumpism dies tomorrow. That pays dividends or there's gonna be contested primaries by the midterms.

[The Outsider]

I for one would love to see a repeat of Jan 6 2021 so I can watch the national guard fuck up some insurrectionists.

And as for your point about her not being intelligent or a good orator, you don't become an AG if you're stupid, she may not be Einstein but she's easily more intelligent than your average human, and you also don't become an AG if you're not at least a competent orator, she's no Obama, but she's better than anyone we've had since Barrack and you'd have to go back to Bill Clinton to find another who clearly outstrips her.

She was also very authoritarian in the most populous state in the Union.

This is misinformation. She prosecuted people based on the laws on the books because that was her job. I'm not claiming to know her moral standings, but even if she was opposed to some of the laws she had no ability to impact that in any meaningful way. I'm also a huge believer that people can change over time. Space Daddy knows I'm a hell of a lot different than I was even 10 years ago. Harris, to me, has come off a genuine. She hasn't really answered some questions, but I also think the media tries to get her with 'gotcha' soundbites and she has refused to be baited. Also the way she handled Trump like the dementia riddled geriatric he is during the debate speaks to her abilities in that area.

Anyway, I'm done with all this. I had a straight up mental breakdown an hour ago so I'm ready to watch the Bucs get their asses raped.

[emby]

I think we've largely transcended the bad faith bickering of the echo chamber here. Pete's just outnumbered.

What I think is interesting is how confident we all seem to be.