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Re: Orange Time
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:24 pm
by PetePierson
Bottom post of the previous page:
The Outsider wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:15 pm
The left isn't just as bad as the right. The left doesn't thing trans people shouldn't exist. They don't think gays are an affront to their fake god. They don't forcibly remove the option of abortion even in the event of life threatening conditions. They don't come up with policies that amount to Christian Sharia Law.
If you think anything the left does is even approaching that level of depravity I have beachfront property in Wyoming to sell you.
The left isn't perfect. The core of the party and it's older members are too beholden to corporations. They tend to over-engineer their solutions to problems to the point of ineffectiveness. But above all their problem is they're still taking the high road when they know the right will go as low as possible to get what they want.
The Republicans are the personification of the banality of evil. The Democrats just can't help shooting themselves in the foot.
These are not the same.
I am not right, don't support Trump. Only GOP members I can marginally tolerate are Rand and Massie as they have some Libertarian leanings (or at least talk a good game). I also don't give a frog's fat ass about the gheys or trans people. Do whatever the fuck you like in the privacy of your own home (everyone is an adult & consents). I don't feel a month of gheyness is necessary, nor parades or school boards that encourage teachers to basically keep the parents out of such issues. And I sure as fuck ain't going to be held hostage / told I need to be an ally to less than 2% of the population because "they were born in the wrong body" and now I need to use some made-up pronouns. Sorry, not sorry.
TLDR: Identity politics bore me and are nothing more than rage porn. Sure it maybe because of different reasons but both establishment parties are evil and hate you. Hate 'em back.
Edit: I don't have any delusions of grandeur. I am confident I can hold my own (for a while) against a bunch of rednecks / few gang members that have a handy-dandy switch $ drum magazine on their Glock 19. But if one Special Operator comes a knockin'.... it is going to take longer for him to decide the interesting and fun way to unalive me than it will to actually do it.
Re: Orange Time
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:25 pm
by The Outsider
emby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:22 pm
The Outsider wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:11 pm
emby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:26 pm
Ready to shoot em in the face?
I dig. But it's going to be shittier than that. Our lily white asses will barely feel a thing at first.
There will be riots, for sure. But I'm thinking about the shit show my grandchildren are going to have to contend with and what I can give them before I'm taken out in the pilot episode.
You don't understand my outlook. I have nothing. The second the oppression starts in earnest is the second I get militant. I'm not going to sit around and wait for them to come for me.
That's the thing. They won't come for you. Or me.
They're going to do mass roundups and deportations and a bunch of people are going to get shot in the process, but there ain't going to be any jack booted thugs coming to your or my house until it's time to foreclose.
Think Demolition Man
You and I will will be singing cartoon jingles and passing joy-joy feelings while we're abiding by the verbal morality statute.
Nobody on this board will be in the sewer with Edgar Friendly. Not even Pete.
There are things about me that no one on this board knows about that means they will most definitely come for me eventually.
Re: Orange Time
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:28 pm
by emby
But you are willing to tolerate all of it.
Back in the thirties and forties they called guys like you collaborators.
Re: Orange Time
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:35 pm
by kaimaru
emby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 1:32 pm
PetePierson wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 1:18 pm
I get you've been on your period the last few days but to deny the left is and has been just as bad as the right is disingenuous. But you're all about your team. Cheerlead until your little heart is content.
What the fuck do you mean by "bad" exactly?
He brought in National Facism and the New Deal. He and Mussolini were admirers of each others work. They both openly talked of Facism and Solcialism. FDR used military terminology for social reforms. FDR is the reason for the 22nd amendment
Re: Orange Time
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:39 pm
by emby
kaimaru wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:35 pm
emby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 1:32 pm
PetePierson wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 1:18 pm
I get you've been on your period the last few days but to deny the left is and has been just as bad as the right is disingenuous. But you're all about your team. Cheerlead until your little heart is content.
What the fuck do you mean by "bad" exactly?
He brought in National Facism and the New Deal. He and Mussolini were admirers of each others work. They both openly talked of Facism and Solcialism. FDR used military terminology for social reforms. FDR is the reason for the 22nd amendment
Fascism is not when government does things. Socialism is not when government does things.
The present situation has nothing to do with the 22nd amendment or FDR aside from dismantling the administrative state including things FDR created.
Are you suggesting to me that FDR's New Deal reforms were a fascistic or socialistic power grab?
Re: Orange Time
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:44 pm
by The Outsider
emby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:28 pm
But you are willing to tolerate all of it.
Back in the thirties and forties they called guys like you collaborators.
Lol you must not have seen me at protests in my 20s. During Occupy Wallstreet in downtown Tampa there were a good amount of counter-protestors. I blackened some eyes and busted some skulls out there that weekend.
Re: Orange Time
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:47 pm
by PetePierson
Ludwig von Mises wrote that the New Deal was a "replica" of Otto von Bismarck's social policies. Milton Friedman also said that Bismarck's Germany influenced the New Deal. Friedman said that both Wilhelmine Germany's aristocratic and autocratic government and left-wing governments had a paternalistic philosophy. According to Friedman, other sources included Fabian England, Swedish and American universities, particularly Columbia University
In 1944, Friedrich von Hayek wrote The Road to Serfdom. Hayek focused mostly on Britain, but he also mentioned the New Deal and argued that the British and American governments had started to abandon their basic commitment to personal liberty through increasingly statist economic programs.
Guess the Internment Camps were where FDR taught the true meaning of liberty.
Re: Orange Time
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:47 pm
by emby
Specific stuff for Auto workers
When I am your president, I will deliver higher wages for auto workers. I will protect your jobs. I will end Joe Biden's catastrophic electric vehicle mandate. And by the way, if you want an electric car, you're going to get it. But you're going to be able to get all other types of cars, types of vehicles that you want.
And on day one, you're going to be back in business with me. And those factories are going to start opening up again. Remember when I got elected, I told you all about this in the campaign. And when I got elected, hardly a car company built outside of this country. I stopped it.
They didn't go to Mexico anymore. I said if you go to Mexico, I’m putting a big tariff. You’ll make a car you're going to have a 25% tariff if you send that car back into the United States. I stopped it. Well, right now they're doing it again, worse than ever before. We lost 32% of our industry to Mexico prior to my getting there. And we lost almost nothing. Nothing. In fact, we were taking back our industry. But now it's going again. I'll straighten it out.
But you have to vote for Trump. You have to vote for Trump. You can't listen to these union guys who get paid a lot of money and they get wined and dined in Washington. They know that electric cars are no good in terms of our workers.
Big oil is going to get big auto to keep building gas powered cars and stop with the electrics. Obviously, all electrics are here to say, but the federal incentives to buy them are going away.
I'm actually fine with this because it's just a giveaway to Elon and Detroit. You wanna cut greenhouse gas? Cut the DoD.
Re: Orange Time
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:49 pm
by emby
The Outsider wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:44 pm
emby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:28 pm
But you are willing to tolerate all of it.
Back in the thirties and forties they called guys like you collaborators.
Lol you must not have seen me at protests in my 20s. During Occupy Wallstreet in downtown Tampa there were a good amount of counter-protestors. I blackened some eyes and busted some skulls out there that weekend.
That was for Pete and his ambivalence to trans people and minorities.
I was in college during occupy....in West Virginia. I couldn't have been farther away from that whole scene. What was that whole thing even like?
Re: Orange Time
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:57 pm
by emby
PetePierson wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:47 pm
Ludwig von Mises wrote that the New Deal was a "replica" of Otto von Bismarck's social policies. Milton Friedman also said that Bismarck's Germany influenced the New Deal. Friedman said that both Wilhelmine Germany's aristocratic and autocratic government and left-wing governments had a paternalistic philosophy. According to Friedman, other sources included Fabian England, Swedish and American universities, particularly Columbia University
In 1944, Friedrich von Hayek wrote The Road to Serfdom. Hayek focused mostly on Britain, but he also mentioned the New Deal and argued that the British and American governments had started to abandon their basic commitment to personal liberty through increasingly statist economic programs.
Guess the Internment Camps were where FDR taught the true meaning of liberty.
Libertarianism has always always always always always been private equity's attempt to debunk Marxism and universal suffrage in academia and politics.
The couldn't then, and they couldn't now because all Marx did was say the quiet part out loud.
People use their money to gain leverage over other people and steal from them. None moreso than the modern businessman.
By the way, On July first the state of Florida mandated a class be taught in state high schools on the history of communism. No doubt to be taught via Prager U videos.
Re: Orange Time
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:59 pm
by PetePierson
My advocacy for the downtrodden begins and ends with the tax dollars used for the vast majority of social programs.
Why the fuck my tax dollars are being spent to but school lunches, I will never know.