nybf wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2024 12:23 pm
The injury report exists solely for gambling. If you knew your star RB was going to be out on Friday, and kept him questionable for 4 days, only to make him inactive at the last moment, that is absolutely a violation of the injury reporting rules.
The injury report absolutely doesn't exist solely for gambling. I get what you're trying to say, though. I'm just saying that from the way I've read the rules on injury reporting it doesn't appear that the 49ers broke any NFL related rules whether it was objectively the wrong thing to do or not.
Edit: To my point, a guy who isn't even on the injury list could pull their hamstring during warm-ups and miss the game. Also, Mason said he was told on Friday that he'd be starting. We all know NFL lingo enough to know that doesn't mean he was told CMC wasn't going to play at all. Literally all that means it that he'd be taking the first snap (and presumably getting a fair amount of playing time).
Could be that they planned to use CMC in a limited fashion before re-evaluating and changing their mind yesterday.
Edit: To my point, a guy who isn't even on the injury list could pull their hamstring during warm-ups and miss the game.
If he pulled it in warm-ups, then clearly they didn't know 4 days before he wasn't playing.
And for the rest of your point, it's opening day. Monday night at home. Even if CMC was on a pitch count, he would be taking the first snap.
Knowing on Friday he wasn't playing on Monday and continuing to list him as questionable is definitely a rules violation. And there's precedent. They fined the Falcons last year.
The Outsider wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2024 3:10 pm
The injury report absolutely doesn't exist solely for gambling.
Injury reports date from the 1940s, when the NFL commissioner, Bert Bell, was dealing with the aftermath of the 1946 championship game between the New York Giants and Chicago Bears. As chronicled in Michael MacCambridge's book "America's Game," there were concerns at the time that two New York players, Merle Hapes and Frank Filchock, had been approached by gamblers and that the game could be part of a fix. Bell ended up suspending both players and reached the conclusion that professional football could not survive unless it was base on absolute honesty. Starting in the 1947 season, Bell required all teams to publish a list of all injured players.
The Outsider wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2024 3:10 pm
The injury report absolutely doesn't exist solely for gambling.
Injury reports date from the 1940s, when the NFL commissioner, Bert Bell, was dealing with the aftermath of the 1946 championship game between the New York Giants and Chicago Bears. As chronicled in Michael MacCambridge's book "America's Game," there were concerns at the time that two New York players, Merle Hapes and Frank Filchock, had been approached by gamblers and that the game could be part of a fix. Bell ended up suspending both players and reached the conclusion that professional football could not survive unless it was base on absolute honesty. Starting in the 1947 season, Bell required all teams to publish a list of all injured players.
I agree that it is important for the integrity of the game, but that doesn't mean it exists solely for gambling. By that logic the entire reason sports exist at all is for gambling.
In fact in the instance cited it was used as a method to combat corrupt gamblers potentially influencing the game and I doubt Bert Bell was worried about all of the people who put money on the game when he came to this decision.
Re: 2024 Season
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:28 pm
by kaimaru
Did you watch Kyle Brandt calling Mike Evans the greatest Buc of all time? The question is would Derrick Brooks be as dominant without our front four and Lynch and Barber behind him?
Re: 2024 Season
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:45 pm
by The Outsider
kaimaru wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:28 pm
Did you watch Kyle Brandt calling Mike Evans the greatest Buc of all time? The question is would Derrick Brooks be as dominant without our front four and Lynch and Barber behind him?
I think that in the case of our team it's legitimately difficult to decide who the greatest player is/was. Brooks, David, Evans, and Sapp all have arguments at being top 10 all-time at their positions even top-5 in the case of Evans and Brooks.
I guess it all depends on if we can with another ring with Evans on the team, to me anyway.
Re: 2024 Season
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 9:43 pm
by emby
kaimaru wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:28 pm
Did you watch Kyle Brandt calling Mike Evans the greatest Buc of all time? The question is would Derrick Brooks be as dominant without our front four and Lynch and Barber behind him?
Heard about this on Bucs insider on the way home today. Thanks for posting.
I had that hot take last year. I absolutely agree. I think only Ronde could be in the discussion just because of how long he played but I think Mike is more consistently dominant.
Re: 2024 Season
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:21 pm
by PetePierson
Ex-NFL star Kellen Winslow II expresses remorse from prison, seeks reduced sentence