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PetePierson wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:30 pm

emby wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:29 pm

PetePierson wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:30 pm The Gaza statement / idea is flat out retarded. If we are going to cut USAID (which 56% of Americans approve per Reuters); Ukraine & Isreal DoD funding need to be pulled as well.

Definitely will never learn our lesson of the cost of being Team America : World Police.

America first lasted what, two and a half weeks?

It's wild. Why we are such a cuck for Isreal, I'll never understand.

Jesus freaks hoping the Jews bring about the return of Christ.

Arms sales to the tune of billions with free field tests on human targets.

AIPAC money takes out anti-israel members of Congress.

White guilt exploitation because antisemitism is real.

Zionist American Jews as a voting block.

And in the case of trump, about a half billion in cash.

Yeah, AIPAC is a cancer in the beltway. And it is quite bipartisan.

PetePierson wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 7:35 pm Yeah, AIPAC is a cancer in the beltway. And it is quite bipartisan.

AIPAC took out Jamaal Bowman and Corey Bush. They've also bankrolled every primary challenge to Omar, Jayapal, and AOC.

Why? Criticism of Israel and it's apartheid state. Criticism.

BTS laws? You kidding me?

Sick, sick culture. You have polls in Israel with 80% approval for ethnic cleaning all of what is soon to not be Palestine so it's not like it's a rogue government.

And for the low low price of a half billion dollars we're going to drop our blood on that soil to do their war crimes for them.

Fuuuuuucked up.

I bet super pacifist, Dave Smith is probably spinning this shit as ending a war rather than starting one.

PetePierson wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 4:48 pm The amounts really aren't the point IMO. How long has the US been sending foreign aid around the world? How many gazillions in the last decade alone? Are we seeing real benefits from this investment?

I'm a large proponent of getting your own house in order before looking to help others.

And you'll get no argument from me that the tax codes are completely fucked up & backwards. But say we tax the shit out of every single corporation, how does that go for the rest of us? Those costs will just be passed down, jobs lost and the little guy fucked yet again.

Who fucking cares how long and how much? If we have the money to do that kind of shit then we should. And we do have the money, we just let the billionaire class accumulate it and then sit on it where it does no good for anyone.

As for your point about the costs being passed down, this is why unregulated capitalism is fated to consume itself. Obviously, in a sane world, you'd have regulations and significant punishments that prevent such a thing

Also, they need us more than we need them. Sure, they raise costs and we get squeezed tighter. We buy less, they make less, and still get taxed appropriately

There's no perfect answer to this dilemma that's been found but what we've got now definitely is one of the worst.

100% agree that in the end, every business needs workers & customers with funds to keep the damn thing alive. Problem being; we (the plebs) lose that war of attrition every time.

It's an incredibly complex problem to "fix" or unwind. This country is just too large (land mass and people) & too diverse for a central government to be anywhere near efficient.

The idea is to slow imports, increase exports, shrink the workforce, and slash government services.


Regardless of the plausible arguments that can be made for any one of these actions on their own, you can't say with a straight face that this is a recipe for national prosperity.

Departments of Education and Labor are all but gone. Of all the fuckin dystopian timelines and we get RoboCop.

emby wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 10:50 pm The idea is to slow imports, increase exports, shrink the workforce, and slash government services.


Regardless of the plausible arguments that can be made for any one of these actions on their own, you can't say with a straight face that this is a recipe for national prosperity.

Departments of Education and Labor are all but gone. Of all the fuckin dystopian timelines and we get RoboCop.

Brother, I wish we were getting RoboCop. We're getting Demolition Man. Better learn how to use the seashells.

emby wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 10:50 pm The idea is to slow imports, increase exports, shrink the workforce, and slash government services.


Regardless of the plausible arguments that can be made for any one of these actions on their own, you can't say with a straight face that this is a recipe for national prosperity.

Departments of Education and Labor are all but gone. Of all the fuckin dystopian timelines and we get RoboCop.

It's an issue (as we recently witnessed during the Covid Regime) that the GDP is driven by 70% consumerism in this country. It's not a bad thing to start making things in this country again. Of course there will be pain points as there usually is during any transition.

My criticism is the break neck speed this administration is operating. We didn't get into this mess overnight, we aren't going to get out of it quickly.

You know how I feel about the DoE and how scores have dropped since it's inception. At the same time, education is a key component to lifting people out of poverty. I'm definitely more of a federalist. That money would most likely be used better locally.

PetePierson wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:01 am

emby wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 10:50 pm The idea is to slow imports, increase exports, shrink the workforce, and slash government services.


Regardless of the plausible arguments that can be made for any one of these actions on their own, you can't say with a straight face that this is a recipe for national prosperity.

Departments of Education and Labor are all but gone. Of all the fuckin dystopian timelines and we get RoboCop.

It's an issue (as we recently witnessed during the Covid Regime) that the GDP is driven by 70% consumerism in this country. It's not a bad thing to start making things in this country again. Of course there will be pain points as there usually is during any transition.

My criticism is the break neck speed this administration is operating. We didn't get into this mess overnight, we aren't going to get out of it quickly.

You know how I feel about the DoE and how scores have dropped since it's inception. At the same time, education is a key component to lifting people out of poverty. I'm definitely more of a federalist. That money would most likely be used better locally.

My problem with eliminating the DOE is that it's a thinly veiled attempt to completely do away with the public school system meaning someone will have to stay home to homeschool the kids, or the only people getting educations are those from families wealthy enough to afford private schooling.

Our public school system isn't perfect, though a lot of that is expressly because of things at the state level, but it is also one of the sole reasons that we have a reasonably educated populace.

The Outsider wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:27 am
My problem with eliminating the DOE is that it's a thinly veiled attempt to completely do away with the public school system meaning someone will have to stay home to homeschool the kids, or the only people getting educations are those from families wealthy enough to afford private schooling.

Our public school system isn't perfect, though a lot of that is expressly because of things at the state level, but it is also one of the sole reasons that we have a reasonably educated populace.

Definitely aligned that every American child should have access to quality education, sounds trite but education is a true equalizer. And the funds need to be directed to both the local schools (infrastructure) as well as salaries. If the DoE is to remain (which I believe it will) it needs to be more of a watch dog that those funds are being directed where they should be. But after seeing all of this craziness & waste, I don't know how to "fix" any of it to operate responsibly.

Do what you will with this info but there's no way that this is just a "conservative" problem.

"Since its creation in 1979, the Department of Education has sent well more than $1 trillion to schools with the express purpose of closing the gaps between the highest and lowest performers. Today, those gaps are as wide as they have ever been, and by many measures, even wider."