PetePierson wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:05 pm
I'm confused. The debt doesn't matter but you are banking (pun pseudo intended) on the US Dollar still being the world's most secure currency?
The credit ranking does matter and when the US gets downgraded, it will affect the strength of US dolllar.
Shit, just the Saudis moving away from the Dollar is going to hurt it.
The debt matters. And there is plenty of debt to go around. The size of the Federal government and military spending is the problem. Unless both are reduced on a massive scale, we ain't getting out of this. We ain't taxig our way out of this nightmare.
The Saudis won't move away from the dollar. They know we'll delete them from existence if they do.
And how would we do that, exactly? We are a globalist country, we are the good guys. We aren't flooding the market with cheap oil as it would hurt a lot of allies including Canada. Sanction them? Sanctions only work if our allies sanction too. What ally would see this as anything but petty?
You know, I miss the days of Clinton. While emby is unhappy with some compromises (benefits). I look back on it because we had a functioning government. Honestly, if Clinton never tried to reduce the deficit, those programs may have been championed instead. There were hard left and right, there were so many moderates.
Fear by the media and politicians have basically made everyone baby killing/forcing trans child gender changing/born boys look at girls naked in lockers/elitists vs racist/freedom hating/body controlling/bible thumping/Neanderthals. I know you and emby are here to get awa that moderate right echo chamber. I think both of you are far left and don't see them as moderate right. Socially, I am moderate left, everything else moderate right.
You two attacked me vehemently. I pointed out that there are ways to get a free education, the get off you ass was being sassy. Instead of arguing as to why someone should get a free education, emby attacked me accusing my degree to be useless. I restated my position, and again, emby, instead of explaining how this was not sufficient both emby and you decided to attack me. This is no longer a place for civil discourse if you do not counter my explanation that free education is attainable for everyone. If you want this to be a Rachel Maddow echo chamber, let me know. I will walk myself out.
There are no good guys, but rest assured we'll manufacture a casus belli that makes us look like we're the good guys before we turn the desert into glass.
PS: While we're a globalist country we're also very much an imperialist country. Someone threatens our hegemony and you'd better believe our government will do whatever is needed to maintain it.
Re: Orange Time
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:00 pm
by PetePierson
No idea what is going on but Comrade and I have been "arguing" over politics for what seems like decades. I don't know Outtie as well, but certainly feel we have fairly different ideologies. Same with deltypoo.
What I do believe is none of think we are changing hearts and minds here.... we are all pretty dug in. But I would be lying if I said I never got anything from our discussions. Even if I don't agree with the policy, it is helpful to make an attempt to see where the other side is coming from.
I am glad you agree that Trump's actions to prevent the confirmation of the 2020 election are also illegal and not covered. Nowhere in the Constitution does is say he can determine how electors are chosen, nor does it give him a role in telling the VP to reject electors.
The President cannot murder or have an American murdered. There is no official capacity that the President could possibly be acting in that would allow him to murder an American citizen.
I mean…unless they are in Yemen and he does it by drone. Then there’s precedence for that. But, that wasn’t what you were asking.
483, 026 confederate soldiers unavailable for comment.
It's right there in his stupid fuckin "domestic terrorist" and "Clear and present danger" face.
The Supreme Court is going to be the decider of what is and isn't official. After the fact. IF you can get evidence. The fuckin Nixon tapes would be inadmissible now.
They are so FUCKING stupid.
Re: Orange Time
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:00 pm
by The Outsider
Justice Jackson literally said in her dissenting opinion that under this ruling the President could have Seal Team Six assassinate political rivals. I'll take the opinion of one of the Supreme Court Justices over that of Hambone. Fucking retard.
Re: Orange Time
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:38 pm
by emby
The Outsider wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:00 pm
Justice Jackson literally said in her dissenting opinion that under this ruling the President could have Seal Team Six assassinate political rivals. I'll take the opinion of one of the Supreme Court Justices over that of Hambone. Fucking retard.
I, Joe Biden declare Donald Trump a clear and present danger to the constitutional law and hereby declare him an enemy of the state and and anyone who aids his treason to be in insurrection. The sentence is death.
The Outsider wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:00 pm
Justice Jackson literally said in her dissenting opinion that under this ruling the President could have Seal Team Six assassinate political rivals. I'll take the opinion of one of the Supreme Court Justices over that of Hambone. Fucking retard.
I, Joe Biden declare Donald Trump a clear and present danger to the constitutional law and hereby declare him an enemy of the state and and anyone who aids his treason to be in insurrection. The sentence is death.
Or just switch the names.
Real talk, if I was Biden right now I'd be testing the fuck out of this SCOTUS ruling. I'd be doing all sorts of wild shit. He's 81 and worth millions of dollars. He could bounce the day his term ends and go anywhere in the world to avoid retribution from the cunts on the right. He should unilaterally forgive all student debt, assassinate Trump, Alito, and Thomas, make abortion legal federally, eliminate the electoral college, expand the Senate, and expand the Supreme Court and pack it with ultra liberal judges.
According to that new ruling he can do all of that with impunity. And if he did have the balls to do that I think conservative voters at large will suddenly realize that it was a bad idea.
The Outsider wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:00 pm
Justice Jackson literally said in her dissenting opinion that under this ruling the President could have Seal Team Six assassinate political rivals. I'll take the opinion of one of the Supreme Court Justices over that of Hambone. Fucking retard.
I, Joe Biden declare Donald Trump a clear and present danger to the constitutional law and hereby declare him an enemy of the state and and anyone who aids his treason to be in insurrection. The sentence is death.
Or just switch the names.
Real talk, if I was Biden right now I'd be testing the fuck out of this SCOTUS ruling. I'd be doing all sorts of wild shit. He's 81 and worth millions of dollars. He could bounce the day his term ends and go anywhere in the world to avoid retribution from the cunts on the right. He should unilaterally forgive all student debt, assassinate Trump, Alito, and Thomas, make abortion legal federally, eliminate the electoral college, expand the Senate, and expand the Supreme Court and pack it with ultra liberal judges.
According to that new ruling he can do all of that with impunity. And if he did have the balls to do that I think conservative voters at large will suddenly realize that it was a bad idea.
I leaned into that idea for a long time and I get why Joe Biden isn't doing it.
If he took the bait and did any of those things, it's be about Biden's overreach and power hungry liberals wanting to chop your son's dick off.
emby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:38 pm
I, Joe Biden declare Donald Trump a clear and present danger to the constitutional law and hereby declare him an enemy of the state and and anyone who aids his treason to be in insurrection. The sentence is death.
Or just switch the names.
Real talk, if I was Biden right now I'd be testing the fuck out of this SCOTUS ruling. I'd be doing all sorts of wild shit. He's 81 and worth millions of dollars. He could bounce the day his term ends and go anywhere in the world to avoid retribution from the cunts on the right. He should unilaterally forgive all student debt, assassinate Trump, Alito, and Thomas, make abortion legal federally, eliminate the electoral college, expand the Senate, and expand the Supreme Court and pack it with ultra liberal judges.
According to that new ruling he can do all of that with impunity. And if he did have the balls to do that I think conservative voters at large will suddenly realize that it was a bad idea.
I leaned into that idea for a long time and I get why Joe Biden isn't doing it.
If he took the bait and did any of those things, it's be about Biden's overreach and power hungry liberals wanting to chop your son's dick off.
Then declare Donald Trump an enemy of the state and unfit for the office of President. Suspend elections for this year with the caveat that they'll be held immediately if Trump renounces his candidacy or if Trump refuses then elections will be held either after he's dead or his brain has enough holes in it that he's totally incoherent.
This shit isn't about principle anymore. These most recent decisions, along with today's rhetoric by the architect of Project 2025 (he said and I quote: "we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.") are chilling as fuck.
That, ladies and gentlemen is an implicit threat of violence and a declaration of war against the United States. It echoes rhetoric from the soon to be Confederacy just before they tried to secede. If it were up to me the gloves would be coming off completely and I'd be giving conservative Americans a taste of what living under authoritarian rule is really like.
The Outsider wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:00 pm
Justice Jackson literally said in her dissenting opinion that under this ruling the President could have Seal Team Six assassinate political rivals. I'll take the opinion of one of the Supreme Court Justices over that of Hambone. Fucking retard.
I, Joe Biden declare Donald Trump a clear and present danger to the constitutional law and hereby declare him an enemy of the state and and anyone who aids his treason to be in insurrection. The sentence is death.
Or just switch the names.
Real talk, if I was Biden right now I'd be testing the fuck out of this SCOTUS ruling. I'd be doing all sorts of wild shit. He's 81 and worth millions of dollars. He could bounce the day his term ends and go anywhere in the world to avoid retribution from the cunts on the right. He should unilaterally forgive all student debt, assassinate Trump, Alito, and Thomas, make abortion legal federally, eliminate the electoral college, expand the Senate, and expand the Supreme Court and pack it with ultra liberal judges.
According to that new ruling he can do all of that with impunity. And if he did have the balls to do that I think conservative voters at large will suddenly realize that it was a bad idea.
You clearly did not read the decision, the President can not take any action that involves Congress and declare immunity. A lot of those require Congress
emby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:38 pm
I, Joe Biden declare Donald Trump a clear and present danger to the constitutional law and hereby declare him an enemy of the state and and anyone who aids his treason to be in insurrection. The sentence is death.
Or just switch the names.
Real talk, if I was Biden right now I'd be testing the fuck out of this SCOTUS ruling. I'd be doing all sorts of wild shit. He's 81 and worth millions of dollars. He could bounce the day his term ends and go anywhere in the world to avoid retribution from the cunts on the right. He should unilaterally forgive all student debt, assassinate Trump, Alito, and Thomas, make abortion legal federally, eliminate the electoral college, expand the Senate, and expand the Supreme Court and pack it with ultra liberal judges.
According to that new ruling he can do all of that with impunity. And if he did have the balls to do that I think conservative voters at large will suddenly realize that it was a bad idea.
You clearly did not read the decision, the President can not take any action that involves Congress and declare immunity. A lot of those require Congress
The bounds of an official act were so vague they may as well not exist. He passes them by executive order, then he let's congress know that if they go against his will they suffer the consequences. Same with the courts. I'm not saying I want a dictator, but if these assholes want to play the game they should get a taste of the outcome they're trying so very hard to bring about.
Plus, as I've basically said before, with the head of the Heritage Foundation, the architect of Project 2025 and the driving force behind the takeover of our government said "we are in the middle of a new American revolution, it can be bloodless if the left allows it."
That's a declaration of war. This shit is no longer about ideology to me. It's about survival. I hope I'm wrong, I really, really hope I'm wrong. I'm very confident that I'm not, unfortunately.