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Le sigh. People like George Stephanopolous aren't journalists and shouldn't be considered as such. He interviews people. All of the actual work, from researching the interviewee, constructing the pace and format of the interview, and even coming up with the questions to ask are all done by people whose names we'll never hear of.

I wish we'd stop taking the opinions of people like Georgie seriously. There's only four celebrities who have political opinions I trust. The first two are Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert. Stewart needs no explanation and Colbert understands American politics so well that he was able to parody a far right talk show so flawlessly that a lot of morons missed the satire. The other two are John Oliver and Bill Burr. John Oliver has started to take the mantle from Jon Stewart as the driven, relatable, comedic political pundit who actually brings receipts and isn't afraid to shit on people he's interviewing or covering. Bill Burr is just basically the most human celebrity on the planet right now. Dude is literally just some jagoff from Southie who happened to also be a really talented actor.

His podcasts and interviews on other shows are fucking great. I've never related more with a celebrity than Bill Burr.



And this one where he shits all over Rogan's primate brain about the Pandemic should be required material in school on how to verbally eviscerate someone.

The Outsider wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:01 am Le sigh. People like George Stephanopolous aren't journalists and shouldn't be considered as such. He interviews people. All of the actual work, from researching the interviewee, constructing the pace and format of the interview, and even coming up with the questions to ask are all done by people whose names we'll never hear of.

I wish we'd stop taking the opinions of people like Georgie seriously. There's only four celebrities who have political opinions I trust. The first two are Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert. Stewart needs no explanation and Colbert understands American politics so well that he was able to parody a far right talk show so flawlessly that a lot of morons missed the satire. The other two are John Oliver and Bill Burr. John Oliver has started to take the mantle from Jon Stewart as the driven, relatable, comedic political pundit who actually brings receipts and isn't afraid to shit on people he's interviewing or covering. Bill Burr is just basically the most human celebrity on the planet right now. Dude is literally just some jagoff from Southie who happened to also be a really talented actor.

His podcasts and interviews on other shows are fucking great. I've never related more with a celebrity than Bill Burr.

I feel it is more the fact that Stephanopolous is a huge Biden / Dem apologist that the "story" deserves a little consideration.

I would sooner put my Bean Bag in a vice than listen to Colbert or Oliver. They are two of the biggest offenders when it comes to the "vaccine" and lies of the Covid Regime. Stewart? Meh, he was ok 15 years ago but never really got into the Daily Show.

But to each his own.

PetePierson wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:16 am

The Outsider wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:01 am Le sigh. People like George Stephanopolous aren't journalists and shouldn't be considered as such. He interviews people. All of the actual work, from researching the interviewee, constructing the pace and format of the interview, and even coming up with the questions to ask are all done by people whose names we'll never hear of.

I wish we'd stop taking the opinions of people like Georgie seriously. There's only four celebrities who have political opinions I trust. The first two are Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert. Stewart needs no explanation and Colbert understands American politics so well that he was able to parody a far right talk show so flawlessly that a lot of morons missed the satire. The other two are John Oliver and Bill Burr. John Oliver has started to take the mantle from Jon Stewart as the driven, relatable, comedic political pundit who actually brings receipts and isn't afraid to shit on people he's interviewing or covering. Bill Burr is just basically the most human celebrity on the planet right now. Dude is literally just some jagoff from Southie who happened to also be a really talented actor.

His podcasts and interviews on other shows are fucking great. I've never related more with a celebrity than Bill Burr.

I feel it is more the fact that Stephanopolous is a huge Biden / Dem apologist that the "story" deserves a little consideration.

I would sooner put my Bean Bag in a vice than listen to Colbert or Oliver. They are two of the biggest offenders when it comes to the "vaccine" and lies of the Covid Regime. Stewart? Meh, he was ok 15 years ago but never really got into the Daily Show.

But to each his own.

The vaccine was effective. Vaccines don't cause autism. There is well over a century of documented science involving innoculations and vaccinations and the COVID vaccine in particular was able to be produced so quickly because the vast majority of the groundwork had already been done in prior vaccine work for influenzas.

I'm just taking a stab in the dark here, you're probably a Rogan guy. Watch that video with Burr and Rogan talking about the pandemic and tell me which one comes off as knowledgeable and logical and which one comes off as an uninformed dumb-ass. Joe should stick to hawking HGH and commentating UFC.

I love it when Rogan sizes something up. Get Rogan talking about Chimpanzees or how hard Tyson could hit and he's fuckin great.

The covid conspiracy theory garbage is the worst shit about him. It's nothing but a bunch of landlords bitching they couldn't evict people during a goddamned pandemic.

And honestly? Use your eyes, use your ears, but most of all use your brain. Apply Occam's Razor, approach things with a balanced mindset and you'll actually see the truth of things.

I've admitted before that they got some things wrong on COVID. That isn't a shock as they were trying to study and mitigate a novel disease in real time. That's probably one of the most difficult tasks that can be undertaken. However, they always came out and clarified things and admitted mistakes (as real scientists will do, they don't put ego before fact) to the extent that they were allowed to do so under the Trump regime which is when the vast majority of the preliminary study, mitigation actions, and vaccine work took place.

The fact of the matter is that if the Trump administration had given the CDC their full support the pandemic would have been handled much more smoothly, but when you have Spray-tan Pol Pot up there contradicting his top infectious disease scientists and spouting off about dumb shit like Ivermectin, bleach, and applying UV to the inside of people's lungs the effectiveness of the CDC is going to be hindered.

And finally, Fauci isn't some evil mastermind. He's a highly credentialed immunologist who happened to be the head of the CDC when the pandemic occurred. As such he was forced into having to be a public figure. He's a medical scientist, not a politician, spokesman, or salesman. And as someone who has worked with academics in the STEM fields, and particularly in medicine, even the smartest doctors and scientists can be absolute garbage when it comes to articulating things. Fauci wasn't that bad, but that was another failure of the administration, they should have appointed someone to be the spokesperson for the CDC so the messaging could be constructed in a way that was more accessible and palatable to the general public.

Do we know where the disease originated? No, not really. The Wuhan lab angle is still there but to me the simplest explanation (and the simplest explanations are usually the right ones) is that it originated in an illegal wet market in China, possibly even in Wuhan. But the fact that we don't know for sure had, again, absolutely nothing to do with the CDC. They're not an intelligence organization. You want to bitch about that part, the failure falls on the CIA and whichever jackoff Trump had running the joint at the time.

emby wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:53 am I love it when Rogan sizes something up. Get Rogan talking about Chimpanzees or how hard Tyson could hit and he's fuckin great.

The covid conspiracy theory garbage is the worst shit about him. It's nothing but a bunch of landlords bitching they couldn't evict people during a goddamned pandemic.

I used to like his podcast like 10 or so years ago when he'd actually have Jamie fact check shit and he'd have on really intelligent guests like Brian Cox, Michio Kaku, Neill Degrasse Tyson, etc. and would basically just let them do their thing for an hour and a half.

These days it's all manosphere grifters and hard right cunts.

Edit: Speaking of manosphere grifters I think Biden needs to take a page out of Obama's book and drone strike Andrew Tate. I mean, he's not a muslim terrorist, but he's a hell of a lot more embarrassing to be associated with as a country.

The Outsider wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:56 am

emby wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:53 am I love it when Rogan sizes something up. Get Rogan talking about Chimpanzees or how hard Tyson could hit and he's fuckin great.

The covid conspiracy theory garbage is the worst shit about him. It's nothing but a bunch of landlords bitching they couldn't evict people during a goddamned pandemic.

I used to like his podcast like 10 or so years ago when he'd actually have Jamie fact check shit and he'd have on really intelligent guests like Brian Cox, Michio Kaku, Neill Degrasse Tyson, etc. and would basically just let them do their thing for an hour and a half.

These days it's all manosphere grifters and hard right cunts.

I think talking combat sports or sports in general is going to be manosphere type shit. Hell our gameday threads are manosphere shit IMO since it's certainly not a family thread.

If I could put my finger on the crux of it and not coincidentally why I get so mad at Pete is when dudes shift from talking about the people they love and stuff they are into and instead talk about people they hate.

I can drink beer with, laugh, and backslap the average MAGA uncle and shoot the shit about all sorts of topics all day long right up until he starts shit talking people who ain't there.

Unless it's the boss. We can shit talk corporate all day.

The Outsider wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:43 am The vaccine was effective. Vaccines don't cause autism. There is well over a century of documented science involving innoculations and vaccinations and the COVID vaccine in particular was able to be produced so quickly because the vast majority of the groundwork had already been done in prior vaccine work for influenzas.

I'm just taking a stab in the dark here, you're probably a Rogan guy. Watch that video with Burr and Rogan talking about the pandemic and tell me which one comes off as knowledgeable and logical and which one comes off as an uninformed dumb-ass. Joe should stick to hawking HGH and commentating UFC.

I have maintained from the very onset (regarding the therapeutic) that individuals should do what they feel is in their / their family's best interest. Especially if someone was older and / or had a number of comorbidities. You have read my feelings on the way things were handled too many times so I am not going to relitigate the issue, no point as we very much disagree on a few issues.

As for Rogan, I was a huge fan back in the day. I am so old that I remember when he was doing the show with Redban from his house / apt. He was such an intense gamer that he spend (at that time) a ton of money to get a T1 line installed at his place. I started listening a lot less with the spotify deal a few years back (but would still watch / listen to clips). I am glad to see that his contract now allows him to put some shows back on youtube.

PetePierson wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:18 am

The Outsider wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:43 am The vaccine was effective. Vaccines don't cause autism. There is well over a century of documented science involving innoculations and vaccinations and the COVID vaccine in particular was able to be produced so quickly because the vast majority of the groundwork had already been done in prior vaccine work for influenzas.

I'm just taking a stab in the dark here, you're probably a Rogan guy. Watch that video with Burr and Rogan talking about the pandemic and tell me which one comes off as knowledgeable and logical and which one comes off as an uninformed dumb-ass. Joe should stick to hawking HGH and commentating UFC.

I have maintained from the very onset (regarding the therapeutic) that individuals should do what they feel is in their / their family's best interest. Especially if someone was older and / or had a number of comorbidities. You have read my feelings on the way things were handled too many times so I am not going to relitigate the issue, no point as we very much disagree on a few issues.

As for Rogan, I was a huge fan back in the day. I am so old that I remember when he was doing the show with Redban from his house / apt. He was such an intense gamer that he spend (at that time) a ton of money to get a T1 line installed at his place. I started listening a lot less with the spotify deal a few years back (but would still watch / listen to clips). I am glad to see that his contract now allows him to put some shows back on youtube.

I wouldn't have had an issue with this if it weren't a highly virulent disease that disproportionately impacted vulnerable subsets of our population and along with that it was a disease we really had no treatment for. Sometimes living in a society requires a little sacrifice to protect those who cannot protect themselves, i.e. immunocompromised people who couldn't get vaccinated, cancer patients, people with autoimmune disorders, etc.

I think it would have been overboard if there was a federal vaccine mandate (I don't have a problem with the NFL, for example having one. They can do whatever they want.) and the mask mandate would have been overbearing if it was something that was punitively enforced, but as it was it was just strongly suggested advice. How much good it did is debatable, but in a situation like COVID it's worth trying anything that could potentially have a positive impact. Especially if there is virtually no way it has a negative impact on public health.

That's where you fucked up. You asked a libertarian to make a little sacrifice.

Get it straight. They don't sacrifice. Only you.

If you ask them to sacrifice, you're tyrannical. When they demand you sacrifice, it's do it or die.

That's how "Leave me alone" and "Don't touch my stuff" works.

I call it the passive aggressive principle.

The Outsider wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:04 pm I wouldn't have had an issue with this if it weren't a highly virulent disease that disproportionately impacted vulnerable subsets of our population and along with that it was a disease we really had no treatment for. Sometimes living in a society requires a little sacrifice to protect those who cannot protect themselves, i.e. immunocompromised people who couldn't get vaccinated, cancer patients, people with autoimmune disorders, etc.

I think it would have been overboard if there was a federal vaccine mandate (I don't have a problem with the NFL, for example having one. They can do whatever they want.) and the mask mandate would have been overbearing if it was something that was punitively enforced, but as it was it was just strongly suggested advice. How much good it did is debatable, but in a situation like COVID it's worth trying anything that could potentially have a positive impact. Especially if there is virtually no way it has a negative impact on public health.

I don't disagree with the premise that people should be considerate of others regardless if there is a pandemic or not. I followed the rules for the most part, wore my mask, social distanced, stayed home (going to do that no matter what). Fast fwd years later and Fauci is pointing his Devil digits at the CDC, the CDC is blaming someone else about how the 6' rule was pretty much made up. The effectiveness of masks (again, this was an easy ask to comply with) but turned out they were not all that effective. And yes, science / recommendations change as time passes and more data / analysis is gathered. But go back and watch the media, celebrities, politicians, Karens and so be so indignant about a therapeutic that didn't prevent you from getting Covid and certainly didn't prevent the spread.

There are a great deal of apologies owed by a great deal of people but their hubris won't ever allow it. And now the medical community / experts have been reprehensibly damaged to the point that a good deal of this country will tune them out during the next pandemic.

Which I predict will be in Oct '24..... purely coincidental, of course.