Is it still too soon to call this race for Harris?

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PetePierson wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 12:30 am
emby wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:25 pm
What is "the Kamala issue"?
Other than being deeply unpopular & terrible candidate that is still picking up her chicklets after Tulsi bitch-slapped her in the 2020 debate?

Dumping her would be tough as can't imagine the black & female electorate would be none too happy.
She's black, female, and a former District Attorney of an area known for having fucked up law enforcement. I don't think she's popular with anyone outside of liberal cops maybe. I think you could plug any popular female democrat in her spot and the shift in support would be positive, you'd lose a negligible amount of people that love Kamala for some reason, but more people would like the theoretical other female and as such rally. Plus getting rid of her helps grab more undecideds and never-trump-republicans.
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PetePierson wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 12:30 am
emby wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:25 pm
What is "the Kamala issue"?
Other than being deeply unpopular & terrible candidate that is still picking up her chicklets after Tulsi bitch-slapped her in the 2020 debate?

Dumping her would be tough as can't imagine the black & female electorate would be none too happy.
Nobody can beat trump. He's totally unstoppable.

Look at the polls, it's right there. Anyone who doesn't see that is bitterly clinging to their diaphragms and college degrees.

If we're going to lose the presidency, and by virtue of action the Republic itself, we may as well go down with the only guy who could ever cheat trump out of an election.
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emby wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 11:17 am
Nobody can beat trump. He's totally unstoppable.

Look at the polls, it's right there. Anyone who doesn't see that is bitterly clinging to their diaphragms and college degrees.

If we're going to lose the presidency, and by virtue of action the Republic itself, we may as well go down with the only guy who could ever cheat trump out of an election.
Uncertain why the need for sarcasm, I gave a genuine response. Even with all the debate fallout & panic from the Left, the polls didn't (so far) move that much.

This isn't 2020. There's no pandemic (not yet). Biden is eve. older and visibility weaker, he can't hide and campaign from the basement. Trump is just if not more vulnerable than the last cycle.

If the left puts anyone but Joey or Kamala out there, they should win the Electoral College fairly easily.

I'll hate it if the right or left wins so I'll take something even close to a return to normalcy, both sides begin to move to the center.
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PetePierson wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 1:38 pm
emby wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 11:17 am
Nobody can beat trump. He's totally unstoppable.

Look at the polls, it's right there. Anyone who doesn't see that is bitterly clinging to their diaphragms and college degrees.

If we're going to lose the presidency, and by virtue of action the Republic itself, we may as well go down with the only guy who could ever cheat trump out of an election.
Uncertain why the need for sarcasm, I gave a genuine response. Even with all the debate fallout & panic from the Left, the polls didn't (so far) move that much.

This isn't 2020. There's no pandemic (not yet). Biden is eve. older and visibility weaker, he can't hide and campaign from the basement. Trump is just if not more vulnerable than the last cycle.

If the left puts anyone but Joey or Kamala out there, they should win the Electoral College fairly easily.

I'll hate it if the right or left wins so I'll take something even close to a return to normalcy, both sides begin to move to the center.
I'm annoyed at the coverage. Trump wants to pick his opponent, and the media is all too happy to indulge the speculation.

There's not going to be a return to anything. The administrative state isn't going to be gutted, it's going to be looted. Can't wait to see the oil wells in monument valley and McMansions overlooking Yellowstone.

Yours and my social security is going to be cut, and my kids social security is going to be eliminated just to make sure your parents get their annual COLA increases in the ultimate "fuck you, got mine" in human history.

Shake your head all you want about it. Trump just took a quarter billion from Sheldon Addleson's widow contingent on trump as president allowing the ethnic cleansing of Gaza to continue.


Life is going to get increasingly shitty around here. But at least you won't have to suffer the inconvenience of paying federal income taxes. You might even get the chance to finally shoot a black person and get away with it.
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Little Sunday Funday? Start the drinking early? I'm sincerely jealous.

I never had any delusions that I would see Social Security and I'm sure as fuck not mad at my, your or anyone's parents getting some of the money back they paid into the ponzi scheme their entire life.

Don't blame me, I didn't make the State create the bullshit and sure didn't make them borrow against it for decades. And there's plenty of blame to go around for the disaster that is for social security.

As to your last point, I don't want to shoot anyone. I actually don't like the fact that I have to carry everywhere I go. I live outside of a large city. It is dangerous out there. And a choice between me, my property etc... and someone else, ain't no fucking choice at all.

If only the media coverage of looting, mass fights, groups attacking vehicles etc... enraged you as much as trying to ditch an ole man that has had more time in the sun than most.
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I can't wait to see the utopia you've planned for us.

I've always wanted to die penniless with no rights. The Afghans didn't pay income taxes either.

At least my wife won't be able to divorce me.
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But I might not get that chance. Trump is such a terrible candidate that even after all the disastrous... and I mean historically disastrous... two weeks Joe Biden just had he's only down six points.

Republicans might want to get a new candidate before liberals do something crazy like raise the minimum wage or stop sending bombs to Israel.
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Didn't I just post how vulnerable Trump still is regardless of the left esting itself (which is glorious to watch, I do admit).

Not sure how paying anywhere from 32%-35% of your income to the State helps the penniless situation. I mean, I'm certain you don't take any deductions on your taxes, right? The greater good and all.
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PetePierson wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 3:14 pm Didn't I just post how vulnerable Trump still is regardless of the left esting itself (which is glorious to watch, I do admit).

Not sure how paying anywhere from 32%-35% of your income to the State helps the penniless situation. I mean, I'm certain you don't take any deductions on your taxes, right? The greater good and all.
https://www.irs.gov/filing/federal-inco ... d-brackets

Tax rate on taxable income from . . . up to . . .
10% $0 $11,000
12% $11,001 $44,725
22% $44,726 $95,375
24% $95,376 $182,100
32% $182,101 $231,250
35% $231,251 $578,125
37% $578,126 And up

You think we're all pulling in almost 200k a year? I'm in the 22% bracket, no state income tax, and I take the deductions that I can. What I don't do is use creative accounting (or just straight up not claiming) to hide money I've made.

The only time I did that was when I worked tipped positions because if I claimed my tips I wouldn't have been able to afford to live.
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The Outsider wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 3:29 pm
https://www.irs.gov/filing/federal-inco ... d-brackets

Tax rate on taxable income from . . . up to . . .
10% $0 $11,000
12% $11,001 $44,725
22% $44,726 $95,375
24% $95,376 $182,100
32% $182,101 $231,250
35% $231,251 $578,125
37% $578,126 And up

You think we're all pulling in almost 200k a year? I'm in the 22% bracket, no state income tax, and I take the deductions that I can. What I don't do is use creative accounting (or just straight up not claiming) to hide money I've made.

The only time I did that was when I worked tipped positions because if I claimed my tips I wouldn't have been able to afford to live.
I don't blame people for taking all the legal deductions possible. It would be stupid not to.

Also agree with you that I don't like those with way more than most using creative accounting to not pay taxes.

On the flip side, the tax code is completely too complex. Moreover, why I am telling the State what I owe. Only to be penalized if that number is "wrong" according to the IRS.

But as the saying goes; the US doesn't have a tax problem. The US has a spending problem. I wish we would explore a fair tax or consumption tax as that makes the most sense to me. But we all know that's never going to happen.

Edit: And no one should be paying >15%-20% in Federal Income taxes. Don't know how people in California, Jersey, NY, etc... do it when you add in state & local taxes. Was eye opening moving from FL to NC. Paying property taxes on vehicles every year? Someone didn't do all of his research prior to moving.
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PetePierson wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 3:39 pm
The Outsider wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 3:29 pm
https://www.irs.gov/filing/federal-inco ... d-brackets

Tax rate on taxable income from . . . up to . . .
10% $0 $11,000
12% $11,001 $44,725
22% $44,726 $95,375
24% $95,376 $182,100
32% $182,101 $231,250
35% $231,251 $578,125
37% $578,126 And up

You think we're all pulling in almost 200k a year? I'm in the 22% bracket, no state income tax, and I take the deductions that I can. What I don't do is use creative accounting (or just straight up not claiming) to hide money I've made.

The only time I did that was when I worked tipped positions because if I claimed my tips I wouldn't have been able to afford to live.
I don't blame people for taking all the legal deductions possible. It would be stupid not to.

Also agree with you that I don't like those with way more than most using creative accounting to not pay taxes.

On the flip side, the tax code is completely too complex. Moreover, why I am telling the State what I owe. Only to be penalized if that number is "wrong" according to the IRS.

But as the saying goes; the US doesn't have a tax problem. The US has a spending problem. I wish we would explore a fair tax or consumption tax as that makes the most sense to me. But we all know that's never going to happen.

Edit: And no one should be paying >15%-20% in Federal Income taxes. Don't know how people in California, Jersey, NY, etc... do it when you add in state & local taxes. Was eye opening moving from FL to NC. Paying property taxes on vehicles every year? Someone didn't do all of his research prior to moving.
I don't disagree about the tax code being too complex. As for the part about figuring it out yourself at least next year the IRS has their own app coming out that is free so that's something.

As for our spending problem, that's largely on the military end of things. My golden goose would be slashing military spending by around 33% all in the area of black projects so no service members would be outright affected aside from possibly being reassigned. That alone would be enough to fund government funded health care and fund the public education system to the level where teachers would actually get paid livable wages and get material support from the school district.

My sister has a Master's in Education and she's teaching in Pasco. She's been a teacher for roughly 12 years if I recall correctly. I started my first official IT job 10 months ago making 55k a year. I make more than 10k more than she does. That's where our priorities are fucked up and no wonder kids younger than the millennial generation are borderline retarded.
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