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Do what you will with this info but there's no way that this is just a "conservative" problem.

"Since its creation in 1979, the Department of Education has sent well more than $1 trillion to schools with the express purpose of closing the gaps between the highest and lowest performers. Today, those gaps are as wide as they have ever been, and by many measures, even wider."
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PetePierson wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 4:28 pm Do what you will with this info but there's no way that this is just a "conservative" problem.

"Since its creation in 1979, the Department of Education has sent well more than $1 trillion to schools with the express purpose of closing the gaps between the highest and lowest performers. Today, those gaps are as wide as they have ever been, and by many measures, even wider."
Here's at least one part of the cause...

The government does standardized testing to track student performance.

Textbooks and teaching materials are produced in the private sector.

School gets a bad score because reasons.

Government asks the private sector who already produces educational materials, to develop whatever it'll take to get scores up and pays handsomely.

Private sector produces educational materials guaranteed to get the dumbest kids into the ivy league.

School gets bad test scores.

Government asks the private sector who already produces educational materials to develop whatever it'll take to get scores up and pays handsomely.

Private sector produces educational materials guaranteed to get the dumbest kids into the ivy league.

School gets bad test scores.

And the gravy train flows...
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PetePierson wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 4:28 pm Do what you will with this info but there's no way that this is just a "conservative" problem.

"Since its creation in 1979, the Department of Education has sent well more than $1 trillion to schools with the express purpose of closing the gaps between the highest and lowest performers. Today, those gaps are as wide as they have ever been, and by many measures, even wider."
That's an issue with how it's being run, not with the department's existence itself. In America we're averse to penalizing people harshly unless there is tangible material or physical harm done.

I'd argue that an incompetent, greedy, or otherwise shitty superintendent, principal, or other administrator or faculty member does more tangible harm than the majority of mass murderers as they mentally stunt the growth of hundreds if not thousands of children. And that's without mentioning the mental health damage that is done by our education system.

We need to stop being afraid of holding people accountable for actions that aren't related to theft or bodily harm.

I am not neuro-typical. Aside from being trans, which probably contributed to some of my childhood issues though I was unaware at the time, I also have ADHD, and while I was never diagnosed my therapists and PCP strongly suspect that I'm on the very high functioning end of the Autism spectrum. School was a nightmare for me. I did have friends, and I did have some good times. But I was bullied often, at least until I kicked the shit out of someone (glad I didn't grow up in the era of zero tolerance) and my experiences with authority figures were almost exclusively negative. I was disciplined for things that largely weren't my fault (ADHD and Autism symptoms that weren't being properly addressed) and I was very, very often blamed for things I didn't do. As I got older my respect for authority eroded to what it is now, that being none, because I saw that people in positions of authority get there, not because they want to do good things with that authority but because they're scared little weasels who only feel safe if they have people to punch down on.

I have so many fucking issues because of our school system and its 'standardization' been diagnosed with C-PTSD and all that shit. See, if you don't fit in the square hole they try to force you through anyway and if they can't it's your fault for not being a square shaped peg.

If they had just worked with me and facilitated my strengths while helping me learn how to compensate for my weaknesses there's no doubt in my mind I'd be wildly successful. I coasted through school, math withstanding, with literally zero effort. I was smarter than most of my teachers, even in middle school.

This turned into a rant, but my point is that we need to completely change our perspective on how we educate our youth in this country. The Department of Education is a part of the solution but not in the form that it is now. And frankly, education should not be left to the states. It is explicitly a national interest.
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emby wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 8:12 pm
PetePierson wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 4:28 pm Do what you will with this info but there's no way that this is just a "conservative" problem.

"Since its creation in 1979, the Department of Education has sent well more than $1 trillion to schools with the express purpose of closing the gaps between the highest and lowest performers. Today, those gaps are as wide as they have ever been, and by many measures, even wider."
Here's at least one part of the cause...

The government does standardized testing to track student performance.

Textbooks and teaching materials are produced in the private sector.

School gets a bad score because reasons.

Government asks the private sector who already produces educational materials, to develop whatever it'll take to get scores up and pays handsomely.

Private sector produces educational materials guaranteed to get the dumbest kids into the ivy league.

School gets bad test scores.

Government asks the private sector who already produces educational materials to develop whatever it'll take to get scores up and pays handsomely.

Private sector produces educational materials guaranteed to get the dumbest kids into the ivy league.

School gets bad test scores.

And the gravy train flows...
States also dictate what can and can't be taught in schools, so our standardized tests are hardly standardized. There is no standard, at least not one that's enforced.
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Never are any "second amendment people" around when you need em.

The way things are going, I don't see how it doesn't end that way.
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emby wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 7:40 am Never are any "second amendment people" around when you need em.

The way things are going, I don't see how it doesn't end that way.
If the time comes I'm prepared to do what I need to do to defend this country and I have the means to do it.
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The Outsider wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:55 pm
emby wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 7:40 am Never are any "second amendment people" around when you need em.

The way things are going, I don't see how it doesn't end that way.
If the time comes I'm prepared to do what I need to do to defend this country and I have the means to do it.
Somebody is going to beat you to it.
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emby wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 6:36 pm
The Outsider wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:55 pm
emby wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 7:40 am Never are any "second amendment people" around when you need em.

The way things are going, I don't see how it doesn't end that way.
If the time comes I'm prepared to do what I need to do to defend this country and I have the means to do it.
Somebody is going to beat you to it.
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The Outsider wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 8:36 am
emby wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 6:36 pm
The Outsider wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:55 pm

If the time comes I'm prepared to do what I need to do to defend this country and I have the means to do it.
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Okay. So maga fucked up and did something cool.

Secretary Pete hiccup Hegseth dunked on wokeness by changing the lame ass name of Fort Liberty back to Fort Bragg and was able to sidestep the the law to do it by naming it after a different soldier with the name Bragg.

Turns out this troop was a badass

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_L._Bragg

So by changing the name of Fort Bragg to Fort Bragg by way of Fort Liberty Secretary Hegseth changed it from honoring a seditious traitor of an officer to a hero PFC from the battle of the bulge.

Exactly what wokeness had set out to do.

Today, we at Buczone salute the brave men and women serving at Woke Fort Bragg!
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Oof.

Elon crashed a trump press conference to unironically complain about unelected bureaucrats ruining democracy.

We are ruled by stupid people.

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