Is it still too soon to call this race for Harris?

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Biden is calling for national rent control. Annual rent increases capped at 5%.

I don't know what the enforcement mechanism is. A lawsuit I presume.

I bring it up because I know Pete is going to be opposed to it from a property rights perspective, and I know jack shit about rent control.

The enforcement mechanism is tax penalties.

Edit: Allow me to clarify, it isn't actually a tax penalty. If you're a landlord that owns 50 or more units and you raise rent by more than 5% per year you lose existing tax benefits given to landlords. That number of 50 units or more comprises a little more than half of the rental properties in the country.

[PetePierson]

Edit:

Biden is calling for national rent control. Annual rent increases capped at 5%.

I don't know what the enforcement mechanism is. A lawsuit I presume.

I bring it up because I know Pete is going to be opposed to it from a property rights perspective, and I know jack shit about rent control.

This is actually a tricky one for me. housing costs have been out of hand for sometime now. My property taxes went up ~16% this year. Since I am stupid, I roll my property tax / insurance into my mortgage. As a result my monthly payments went up ~$190. I am fortunate enough for this to be more reasons to hate the state than affecting what bill not to pay.

Everyone needs a home. And despite my cold and greedy nature, lower income families / children have next to no chance without decent living accommodations and safety. 5% is most likely too low but a cap of 10-12%? I could live with.

[The Outsider]

Edit:

Biden is calling for national rent control. Annual rent increases capped at 5%.

I don't know what the enforcement mechanism is. A lawsuit I presume.

I bring it up because I know Pete is going to be opposed to it from a property rights perspective, and I know jack shit about rent control.

This is actually a tricky one for me. housing costs have been out of hand for sometime now. My property taxes went up ~16% this year. Since I am stupid, I roll my property tax / insurance into my mortgage. As a result my monthly payments went up ~$190. I am fortunate enough for this to be more reasons to hate the state than affecting what bill not to pay.

Everyone needs a home. And despite my cold and greedy nature, lower income families / children have next to no chance without decent living accommodations and safety. 5% is most likely too low but a cap of 10-12%? I could live with.

5% isn't too low, most people don't get year over year raises of 5% let alone 10-12% and housing is the largest expense for people by far. Why are we obsessed with making America unaffordable for the benefit of people who already have millions if not billions of dollars?

[PetePierson]

5% isn't too low, most people don't get year over year raises of 5% let alone 10-12% and housing is the largest expense for people by far. Why are we obsessed with making America unaffordable for the benefit of people who already have millions if not billions of dollars?

Jiminy Christmas, you fucking guys are impossible. I thought it was the right that refuses to compromise. I'm already going to get kicked out of the ANCAP Club for even considering this.... jeesh.

[emby]

5% isn't too low, most people don't get year over year raises of 5% let alone 10-12% and housing is the largest expense for people by far. Why are we obsessed with making America unaffordable for the benefit of people who already have millions if not billions of dollars?

Jiminy Christmas, you fucking guys are impossible. I thought it was the right that refuses to compromise. I'm already going to get kicked out of the ANCAP Club for even considering this.... jeesh.

You're right that everyone needs a home. I would add that when market conditions fail, it is the obligation of the state to fix that byproduct of the chosen economic settings.

We either change the settings so nobody is left behind or we make sure that those inevitable people who will not succeed within that system can still have an American standard of living.

[The Outsider]

5% isn't too low, most people don't get year over year raises of 5% let alone 10-12% and housing is the largest expense for people by far. Why are we obsessed with making America unaffordable for the benefit of people who already have millions if not billions of dollars?

Jiminy Christmas, you fucking guys are impossible. I thought it was the right that refuses to compromise. I'm already going to get kicked out of the ANCAP Club for even considering this.... jeesh.

How is housing supposed to be affordable if landlords are encouraged to raise rent year over year at a level that far outpaces wage increases which already don't match inflation?

[PetePierson]

How is housing supposed to be affordable if landlords are encouraged to raise rent year over year at a level that far outpaces wage increases which already don't match inflation?

[The Outsider]

How is housing supposed to be affordable if landlords are encouraged to raise rent year over year at a level that far outpaces wage increases which already don't match inflation?

I'll try to remember to watch that later when I'm not at work.


Anyway,

Predatory wealth--of the wealth accumulated on a giant scale by all forms of iniquity, ranging from the oppression of wageworkers to unfair and unwholesome methods of crushing out competition, and to defrauding the public by stock jobbing and the manipulation of securities. Certain wealthy men of this stamp, whose conduct should be abhorrent to every man of ordinarily decent conscience, and who commit the hideous wrong of teaching our young men that phenomenal business success must ordinarily be based on dishonesty, have during the last few months made it apparent that they have banded together to work for a reaction. Their endeavor is to overthrow and discredit all who honestly administer the law, to prevent any additional legislation which would check and restrain them, and to secure if possible a freedom from all restraint which will permit every unscrupulous wrongdoer to do what he wishes unchecked provided he has enough money....The methods by which the Standard Oil people and those engaged in the other combinations of which I have spoken above have achieved great fortunes can only be justified by the advocacy of a system of morality which would also justify every form of criminality on the part of a labor union, and every form of violence, corruption, and fraud, from murder to bribery and ballot box stuffing in politics.

Corporate landlords, telecomms, energy, retail, food vendors are all guilty of the above. Elon, Bezos, Gates, etc. are all guilty of the above.

Who do you think made that statement?

[PetePierson]

I'll try to remember to watch that later when I'm not at work.


Anyway,

Predatory wealth--of the wealth accumulated on a giant scale by all forms of iniquity, ranging from the oppression of wageworkers to unfair and unwholesome methods of crushing out competition, and to defrauding the public by stock jobbing and the manipulation of securities. Certain wealthy men of this stamp, whose conduct should be abhorrent to every man of ordinarily decent conscience, and who commit the hideous wrong of teaching our young men that phenomenal business success must ordinarily be based on dishonesty, have during the last few months made it apparent that they have banded together to work for a reaction. Their endeavor is to overthrow and discredit all who honestly administer the law, to prevent any additional legislation which would check and restrain them, and to secure if possible a freedom from all restraint which will permit every unscrupulous wrongdoer to do what he wishes unchecked provided he has enough money....The methods by which the Standard Oil people and those engaged in the other combinations of which I have spoken above have achieved great fortunes can only be justified by the advocacy of a system of morality which would also justify every form of criminality on the part of a labor union, and every form of violence, corruption, and fraud, from murder to bribery and ballot box stuffing in politics.

Corporate landlords, telecomms, energy, retail, food vendors are all guilty of the above. Elon, Bezos, Gates, etc. are all guilty of the above.

Who do you think made that statement?

Not going to lie, I had to look it up and would have never guessed the correct answer. Also, I am not claiming the link I posted is 100% correct but the dude is a solid Economist. I feel if I were a more rational man, I would advocate for a solution somewhere in the middle. But me, you, Comrade and most of the country have become so radically steadfast in our beliefs that there is no room for any sort of compromise. That's a problem.

[emby]

I'll try to remember to watch that later when I'm not at work.


Anyway,

Predatory wealth--of the wealth accumulated on a giant scale by all forms of iniquity, ranging from the oppression of wageworkers to unfair and unwholesome methods of crushing out competition, and to defrauding the public by stock jobbing and the manipulation of securities. Certain wealthy men of this stamp, whose conduct should be abhorrent to every man of ordinarily decent conscience, and who commit the hideous wrong of teaching our young men that phenomenal business success must ordinarily be based on dishonesty, have during the last few months made it apparent that they have banded together to work for a reaction. Their endeavor is to overthrow and discredit all who honestly administer the law, to prevent any additional legislation which would check and restrain them, and to secure if possible a freedom from all restraint which will permit every unscrupulous wrongdoer to do what he wishes unchecked provided he has enough money....The methods by which the Standard Oil people and those engaged in the other combinations of which I have spoken above have achieved great fortunes can only be justified by the advocacy of a system of morality which would also justify every form of criminality on the part of a labor union, and every form of violence, corruption, and fraud, from murder to bribery and ballot box stuffing in politics.

Corporate landlords, telecomms, energy, retail, food vendors are all guilty of the above. Elon, Bezos, Gates, etc. are all guilty of the above.

Who do you think made that statement?

Not going to lie, I had to look it up and would have never guessed the correct answer. Also, I am not claiming the link I posted is 100% correct but the dude is a solid Economist. I feel if I were a more rational man, I would advocate for a solution somewhere in the middle. But me, you, Comrade and most of the country have become so radically steadfast in our beliefs that there is no room for any sort of compromise. That's a problem.

This right here is why Zarni blabbed so much about populism being bad. He conflated Trump with this kind of rhetoric. Trump, of course would never say the above quote because he doesn't believe any of that. That's an actual class conscious, populist argument against the aristocracy.

Trump deals in Nationalism, not populism. If Trump were an actual populist, he'd be running on universal healthcare and against corporate corruption of the state. Trump is not a class traitor.

[The Outsider]

TBH we need another Roosevelt.