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My advocacy for the downtrodden begins and ends with the tax dollars used for the vast majority of social programs.
Why the fuck my tax dollars are being spent to but school lunches, I will never know.
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emby wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:57 pm Libertarianism has always always always always always been private equity's attempt to debunk Marxism and universal suffrage in academia and politics.

The couldn't then, and they couldn't now because all Marx did was say the quiet part out loud.

People use their money to gain leverage over other people and steal from them. None moreso than the modern businessman.

By the way, On July first the state of Florida mandated a class be taught in state high schools on the history of communism. No doubt to be taught via Prager U videos.
So you don't want to thank FDR and the National Recovery Administration for strengthening the relationship between the State and businesses?
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PetePierson wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:59 pm My advocacy for the downtrodden begins and ends with the tax dollars used for the vast majority of social programs.
Why the fuck my tax dollars are being spent to but school lunches, I will never know.
Because in a civilized society the more well-to-do citizenry shouldn't have a problem with allocating some of their excess wealth to alleviating the pressures on the poor. For many of these children, that free school lunch is all they'll eat for the day. You would probably say "Well that's the parents' fault? Why am I paying for it?"

Well, you're right, it is the parents' fault. But you're paying with it to alleviate the burden of hunger and undernourishment of an innocent child who is a victim to the whims of their shit bag parents. Doing things like this aren't guaranteed to change a child's life, but it does increase their chances of success.

Sometimes we, as the higher earners, need to subsidize portions of the lower income bracket to avoid injustice and foster an environment conducive to success and unfortunately charitable donations are not numerous enough to have a major impact along with being even more rife with corruption than your favorite government agencies. Are we perfect? Far from it, but we're doing better than most.
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PetePierson wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 3:01 pm
emby wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:57 pm Libertarianism has always always always always always been private equity's attempt to debunk Marxism and universal suffrage in academia and politics.

The couldn't then, and they couldn't now because all Marx did was say the quiet part out loud.

People use their money to gain leverage over other people and steal from them. None moreso than the modern businessman.

By the way, On July first the state of Florida mandated a class be taught in state high schools on the history of communism. No doubt to be taught via Prager U videos.
So you don't want to thank FDR and the National Recovery Administration for strengthening the relationship between the State and businesses?
Can't I just be mad at him for not keeping Henry Wallace on the ticket?
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The Outsider wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 3:17 pm Because in a civilized society the more well-to-do citizenry shouldn't have a problem with allocating some of their excess wealth to alleviating the pressures on the poor. For many of these children, that free school lunch is all they'll eat for the day. You would probably say "Well that's the parents' fault? Why am I paying for it?"

Well, you're right, it is the parents' fault. But you're paying with it to alleviate the burden of hunger and undernourishment of an innocent child who is a victim to the whims of their shit bag parents. Doing things like this aren't guaranteed to change a child's life, but it does increase their chances of success.

Sometimes we, as the higher earners, need to subsidize portions of the lower income bracket to avoid injustice and foster an environment conducive to success and unfortunately charitable donations are not numerous enough to have a major impact along with being even more rife with corruption than your favorite government agencies. Are we perfect? Far from it, but we're doing better than most.
I am definitely not blaming the children, not even I am that crazy (yet). I've said it many times that I strongly feel that education is one of the top factors needed for a person to succeed. I can't square the amount of money spent (increases) with the DoE the last 55 years or so with the fact the the US was #1 in education the year prior to establishing the DoE. And now, not so much.

Got sidetracked and appreciate the calm / measured response. On it's face, I absolutely see what you are saying and hesitantly agree. But I am adamant that the State is not the best, most efficient or economical method to administer these programs.

And I've been called a lot of meansie words in my life but "well-to-do" hurts. Take that back.
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PetePierson wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 3:23 pm
The Outsider wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 3:17 pm Because in a civilized society the more well-to-do citizenry shouldn't have a problem with allocating some of their excess wealth to alleviating the pressures on the poor. For many of these children, that free school lunch is all they'll eat for the day. You would probably say "Well that's the parents' fault? Why am I paying for it?"

Well, you're right, it is the parents' fault. But you're paying with it to alleviate the burden of hunger and undernourishment of an innocent child who is a victim to the whims of their shit bag parents. Doing things like this aren't guaranteed to change a child's life, but it does increase their chances of success.

Sometimes we, as the higher earners, need to subsidize portions of the lower income bracket to avoid injustice and foster an environment conducive to success and unfortunately charitable donations are not numerous enough to have a major impact along with being even more rife with corruption than your favorite government agencies. Are we perfect? Far from it, but we're doing better than most.
I am definitely not blaming the children, not even I am that crazy (yet). I've said it many times that I strongly feel that education is one of the top factors needed for a person to succeed. I can't square the amount of money spent (increases) with the DoE the last 55 years or so with the fact the the US was #1 in education the year prior to establishing the DoE. And now, not so much.

Got sidetracked and appreciate the calm / measured response. On it's face, I absolutely see what you are saying and hesitantly agree. But I am adamant that the State is not the best, most efficient or economical method to administer these programs.

And I've been called a lot of meansie words in my life but "well-to-do" hurts. Take that back.

That money largely got allocated to administrators and sports programs. The DoE doesn't control local school districts to the extent you apparently think they do. Schools would probably be a hell of a lot better that way. It's local school boards and superintendents that are the real leeches on society. They politicize education and prioritize everything except from actually teaching the students. Frankly, local school districts shouldn't have elected school boards. There should be a board comprised of a teacher's union rep, a few long tenured and decorated teachers, and a couple of administrators with similar records. It should be done by appointment, there should be no campaigning what-so-ever and the appointing body could be comprised of independent individuals from the citizenry, preferably representative of the population as a whole meaning some people with no kids should be involved.

So many of our problems would be solved if we just acted logically and took all of the feelies out of government.

As for the 'well-to-do' comment, if you're making enough to be bitching about taxes but still have creature comforts you're better off than a solid 40% of America. Hell, I barely clear 55k a year and I'm making the median income in Spring Hill and that's for a household of two full time employees.
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I was kidding. I am and have been very fortunate in terms of jobs, career and income. Like you, I am a single-income household and pretty much do / purchase what I want (within reason).
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PetePierson wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 3:42 pm I was kidding. I am and have been very fortunate in terms of jobs, career and income. Like you, I am a single-income household and pretty much do / purchase what I want (within reason).
I know, my humor is a little dry at times. I was mostly using the opportunity to poke fun at how fucking broke most of us are that 55k is median household income for a couple in a fucking mid-sized city in FL.
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For homeschoolers
"As President, it was my honor to support America’s homeschool families—and to protect the God-given right of every parent to be the steward of their children’s education," President Trump said.

President Trump pledged to allow homeschool parents to use 529 education savings accounts to spend up to $10,000 a year per child, completely tax-free to spend on costs associated with homeschool education.
This would make 529's another tax haven if the plan is to homeschool. Kid gets born, stash a bunch of money in the 529 for 5 years tax free and then pull it out $10G at a time tax free.

you could launder $130,000 of income per kid that way and never spend a dime on homeschooling.

Small fries, but typical republican tax dodging bullshit.
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Bit of a gish gallop as Trump reveals who republicans are always working for. Big Oil.
To keep pace with the world economy that depends on fossil fuels for more than 80% of its energy, President Trump will DRILL, BABY, DRILL.

President Trump will end Biden’s delays in federal drilling permits and leases that are needed to unleash American oil and natural gas production. Joe Biden has increased the cost of oil and gas leases by 50% and reduced the available acreage for drilling by 80%.
Citation Needed. We're still the #1 producer of oil in the world.
President Trump will free up the vast stores of liquid gold on America’s public land for energy development.
That's national parks, national forests, protected fishing grounds, you name it.
President Trump will remove all red tape that is leaving oil and natural gas projects stranded, including speeding up approval of natural gas pipelines into the Marcellus Shale in Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and New York.
This is lifting Fracking bans.
President Trump will fill up the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) that Joe Biden wastefully drained to its lowest level in 40 years.
This one is my favorite! Joe Biden sold off a portion of the SPR to offset Big Oil's tightening of the spigot in 2021-ish and the purchased oil for the SPR some time over the course of 2022 netting the US government a $60+ million profit making him the most successful oil trader of all time.https://www.economist.com/finance-and-e ... oil-trader
President Trump will once again exit the horrendously unfair Paris Climate Accords and oppose all of the radical left’s Green New Deal policies that are designed to shut down the development of America’s abundant energy resources, which exceedany country’s in the world, including Russia and Saudi Arabia.

President Trump will stop the wave of frivolous litigation from environmental extremists that hold up critical energy development projects for years, increase project costs, and discourage future development.
Won't be able to sue for environmental damage anymore.

President Trump will immediately stop all Joe Biden policies that distort energy markets, limit consumer choice, and drive-up costs on consumers, including insane wind subsidies, and DoE and EPA regulations that prevent Americans from buying incandescent lightbulbs, gas stoves, quality dishwashers and shower heads, and much more.
None of that shit is even real. The gas stove regulation got codified AFTER 90-some-odd percent of manufactured gas stoves were already compliant.
President Trump will support nuclear energy production, which reached a record high during his administration, by modernizing the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, working to keep existing power plants open, and investing in innovative small modular reactors.
BIG giveaway to energy companies. IMO Nuclear is too damned expensive to set up and a terrorist target. But this is about taking over the power grid and handing it to private equity.
The United States should source as much fuel as we can from U.S. mined materials and reduce our reliance on foreign fuel to run our domestic reactors.
we do not rely on foreign energy.
We should ensure a clear and expedient pathway for advanced, micro and modular reactors to reach commercialization.
Waste of money.
President Trump will provide tax relief from Biden’s suffocating tax hikes on America’s oil, gas, and coal producers
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Corporate tax cuts? Amazeballs!

President Trump will champion America’s great dams and hydroelectric power, which Biden has launched heartless attacks on, threatening to cut off electricity to millions of Americans in Washington.
Fuck them salmon and fuck your drinking water.
On Day One, President Trump will also roll back every Biden administration mandate that is brutalizing the American auto industry and the American consumer with skyrocketing costs.
This is anti-labor. This is union busting.
President Trump will end Biden’s assault on the internal combustion engine and cancel his harmful April 2023 emission regulations for light, medium, and heavy-duty vehicles, that are projected to kill 117,000 auto manufacturing jobs.

President Trump will also end Biden’s insane CAFE fuel economy standards that will cost the auto industry an estimated $200 billion and raise the average cost of vehicles by more than $1,000 according to the Biden administration’s own estimates, at a time when the average price of a new car is $49,500.
So not only is your gasoline going to be more profitable for the oil industry, but your 100 year old technology car is going to get shittier gas mileage...You didn't think they were going to pass along the savings, did you?





Project 2025/Agenda 47

It's all the same shit. Massive corporate giveaways and gutting the administrative state. They're going to bleed you from your money while stealing all the natural resources.

Make America West Virginia

Good stuff.
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Death Penalty for Child Traffickers
I will use Title 42 to end the child trafficking crisis by returning all trafficked children to their families in their home countries and without delay, and I will urge Congress to ensure that anyone caught trafficking children across our border receives the death penalty immediately and that includes also for women, because women as you know are number one in trafficking. Children are actually number two.
Title 42 allows for the turning away of migrants during a public health emergency. Trump used it for the Muslim ban and various other border nonsense during his presidency. Biden tried to do away with it, the courts put it back and now he's going to ask congress to expand that law for mass deportations.

We already know that the only thing Donald Trump knows about child trafficking is when he is raping trafficked children.

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