Is it still too soon to call this race for Harris?

[PetePierson]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Whitmer is very well known and very popular in the rust belt. Which coincidentally is one of the key areas that can help Dems win a national election.

She's also done a fantastic job as the governor of MI. She's extremely popular there.

If you say so. I don't know much about her (obviously) but from what I have read, I just don't see it.

But do agree that the left just focuses on like 20 major metropolitan cities and doesn't give a fuck about anyone else. They should take a page from Clinton and try to get some of the rural vote back. But they won't. Hilary obviously didn't and neither did Joey.

Guess they really do believe that they (soon me be we, I hope) are a bunch of deplorables.

[The Outsider]

With all of this. But I don't think JD Vance or Ted Cruz or whoever the fuck has anywhere near the ability to wreck shit like trump would.

I think Trump is just the figurehead. The people who are orchestrating all of this shit would be doing the same thing regardless of who the Republican nominee was. I just think Trump's influence on the electorate allows them to do this shit more openly than they normally would be able to.

Those people are the sycophants, not the cult leader.

Again, I get what you're saying. I'm just saying trump is the only one with that kind of power.

People like Kevin Roberts, Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas, the Kochs, Peter Thiel, etc. are absolutely not sycophants. Those bastards and their ilk are the architects of our demise.

They aren't politicians, but you bet your ass that a Republican President will push their agenda regardless of who they are. Focusing on Trump is kind of what they want us to do. Because Trump is more or less inconsequential. He's their Trojan Horse with his appearance obfuscating the utter depravity of their attempt to seize power in America.

[emby]

Whitmer is very well known and very popular in the rust belt. Which coincidentally is one of the key areas that can help Dems win a national election.

She's also done a fantastic job as the governor of MI. She's extremely popular there.

If you say so. I don't know much about her (obviously) but from what I have read, I just don't see it.

But do agree that the left just focuses on like 20 major metropolitan cities and doesn't give a fuck about anyone else. They should take a page from Clinton and try to get some of the rural vote back. But they won't. Hilary obviously didn't and neither did Joey.

Guess they really do believe that they (soon me be we, I hope) are a bunch of deplorables.

Democrats win and lose in the suburbs. There's no incentive to try to ingratiate the democrat party to rural voters who hate them. Republicans don't even do anything for them.





I am thoroughly opposed to switching from Biden. If all the generic democrats allegedly can whip trump and "generic democrat" can whip trump than there's no reason to think that the President of the United States can't whip trump.

[The Outsider]

Whitmer is very well known and very popular in the rust belt. Which coincidentally is one of the key areas that can help Dems win a national election.

She's also done a fantastic job as the governor of MI. She's extremely popular there.

If you say so. I don't know much about her (obviously) but from what I have read, I just don't see it.

But do agree that the left just focuses on like 20 major metropolitan cities and doesn't give a fuck about anyone else. They should take a page from Clinton and try to get some of the rural vote back. But they won't. Hilary obviously didn't and neither did Joey.

Guess they really do believe that they (soon me be we, I hope) are a bunch of deplorables.

Democrats win and lose in the suburbs. There's no incentive to try to ingratiate the democrat party to rural voters who hate them. Republicans don't even do anything for them.





I am thoroughly opposed to switching from Biden. If all the generic democrats allegedly can whip trump and "generic democrat" can whip trump than there's no reason to think that the President of the United States can't whip trump.

Yeah I think Biden dropping out is still a stupid idea. He's got an interview with George Stephanopolous tonight and a couple of campaign rallies over the weekend. If he appears the way he usually does in those and other events going forwards his debate performance will largely be written off for what it was. An older person having a cold and struggling to project their voice. I went back and read the transcripts from the debate a few days ago and Biden, by and large, gave answers that were clear and coherent, it was just very difficult to hear what he was saying.

[The Outsider]

I do not know whether it is to yourself or Mr. Adams I am to give my thanks for the copy of the new constitution. I beg leave through you to place them where due. It will be yet three weeks before I shall receive them from America. There are very good articles in it: and very bad. I do not know which preponderate. What we have lately read in the history of Holland, in the chapter on the Stadtholder, would have sufficed to set me against a Chief magistrate eligible for a long duration, if I had ever been disposed towards one: and what we have always read of the elections of Polish kings should have forever excluded the idea of one continuable for life. Wonderful is the effect of impudent and persevering lying. The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, and what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusets? And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it’s motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20. years without such a rebellion.[1] The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independant 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusets: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen yard in order. I hope in god this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted.

[emby]

But her emails!

[The Outsider]

But her emails!

Thank you for donating your blood to the tree.

[PetePierson]

Yeah I think Biden dropping out is still a stupid idea. He's got an interview with George Stephanopolous tonight and a couple of campaign rallies over the weekend. If he appears the way he usually does in those and other events going forwards his debate performance will largely be written off for what it was. An older person having a cold and struggling to project their voice. I went back and read the transcripts from the debate a few days ago and Biden, by and large, gave answers that were clear and coherent, it was just very difficult to hear what he was saying.

But Biden is doing the same thing you two are hating on the GOP for, he's not in charge. And he sure as fuck isn't making any decisions. But get that you trust his unelected decision makers more.


I think abc is just previewing the softball interview and the entire thing with that twerp will air on Sunday. But it won't tell us anything as you know little Georgy ain't going to do anything that tongue Joey's taint.

[PetePierson]

I went back and read the transcripts from the debate a few days ago and Biden, by and large, gave answers that were clear and coherent, it was just very difficult to hear what he was saying.

Come on now. His answer to the first question was an unmitigated disaster. Are we fighting Medicare? Social Security? Covid? Cornpop?

And Trump lied A LOT but let's not act like that mean ole dementia patient is the arbiter of truth.

NSULIN

BIDEN: “It’s $15 for an insulin shot, as opposed to $400.”

THE FACTS: No, that’s not exactly right. Out-of-pocket insulin costs for older Americans on Medicare were capped at $35 in the 2022 Inflation Reduction Act that President Joe Biden signed into law. The cap took effect last year, when many drugmakers announced they would lower the price of the drug to $35 for most users on private insurance. But Biden regularly overstates that many people used to pay up to $400 monthly. People with diabetes who have Medicare or private insurance paid about $450 yearly prior to the law, a Department of Health and Human Services study released in December 2022 found.

MILITARY DEATHS

BIDEN: “The truth is, I’m the only president this century that doesn’t have any — this decade — any troops dying anywhere in the world like he did.”

”THE FACTS: At least 16 service members have been killed in hostile action since Biden took office in January 2021. On Aug. 26, 2021, 13 died during a suicide bombing at Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul, Afghanistan, as U.S. troops withdrew from the country. An enemy drone killed three U.S. service members at a desert base in Jordan on Jan. 28 of this year.

PRESIDENTIAL RECORD

BIDEN: “159, or 58, don’t know an exact number, presidential historians, they’ve had meetings and they voted, who is the worst president in American history … They said he was the worst in all American history. That’s a fact. That’s not conjecture.”

THE FACTS: That’s almost right, but not quite. The survey in question, a project from professors at the University of Houston and Coastal Carolina University, included 154 usable responses, from 525 respondents invited to participate.

I know there are a few more but you get the point. Joey lied less... YAY!

[The Outsider]

I went back and read the transcripts from the debate a few days ago and Biden, by and large, gave answers that were clear and coherent, it was just very difficult to hear what he was saying.

Come on now. His answer to the first question was an unmitigated disaster. Are we fighting Medicare? Social Security? Covid? Cornpop?

And Trump lied A LOT but let's not act like that mean ole dementia patient is the arbiter of truth.

NSULIN

BIDEN: “It’s $15 for an insulin shot, as opposed to $400.”

THE FACTS: No, that’s not exactly right. Out-of-pocket insulin costs for older Americans on Medicare were capped at $35 in the 2022 Inflation Reduction Act that President Joe Biden signed into law. The cap took effect last year, when many drugmakers announced they would lower the price of the drug to $35 for most users on private insurance. But Biden regularly overstates that many people used to pay up to $400 monthly. People with diabetes who have Medicare or private insurance paid about $450 yearly prior to the law, a Department of Health and Human Services study released in December 2022 found.

MILITARY DEATHS

BIDEN: “The truth is, I’m the only president this century that doesn’t have any — this decade — any troops dying anywhere in the world like he did.”

”THE FACTS: At least 16 service members have been killed in hostile action since Biden took office in January 2021. On Aug. 26, 2021, 13 died during a suicide bombing at Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul, Afghanistan, as U.S. troops withdrew from the country. An enemy drone killed three U.S. service members at a desert base in Jordan on Jan. 28 of this year.

PRESIDENTIAL RECORD

BIDEN: “159, or 58, don’t know an exact number, presidential historians, they’ve had meetings and they voted, who is the worst president in American history … They said he was the worst in all American history. That’s a fact. That’s not conjecture.”

THE FACTS: That’s almost right, but not quite. The survey in question, a project from professors at the University of Houston and Coastal Carolina University, included 154 usable responses, from 525 respondents invited to participate.

I know there are a few more but you get the point. Joey lied less... YAY!

Nigga are you trying to give me a fucking aneurysm? Biden was off by 20 bucks on insulin costs, that's not a lie, that's just not having the exact number in front of him and misremembering. Same with the Presidential record question. He was off by 4. For the troops death question I'll gladly concede and just chalk it up to an old fucker forgetting something.

Meanwhile the other guy threw out blatant falsehood after blatant falsehood. Things that don't have any grounding in reality. It wasn't a simple matter of being slightly inaccurate or misinformed, it was pure, unbridled bullshit.

And yes, I trust the Biden administration as a whole much more than the Trump administration, for several reasons. However, the most significant factor in that opinion is that one Presidential administration was rife with stupid decisions. The hiring of some of the most unqualified people that could be found. Higher employee turnover than an Applebee's, and finally rampant corruption and grifting. All of that while the Biden administration has more or less run things the way they should be run.

I prefer to live in stable and boring times, not times where life as I know it exists at the whim of some malignant narcissist billionaire and his cronies.

[The Outsider]

And for the record I predicted almost everything that has come out about Trump before he was elected in 2016. I predicted a lot of the bullshit that happened while he was in office like the theft and sale of classified documents, the Russian influence, etc.

I'm no genius, but I'm smarter than a good 80-85% of the human population at large and despite my hatred for people I'm very adept at recognizing the unspoken, underlying agendas that people undertake, particularly when it comes to political intrigue.

Mark my words, come back to them in a few years if Trump wins and if I'm wrong lambaste me for this, if Donald Trump wins the 2024 election America is going to descend into fascist authoritarianism. People that aren't heteronormative, white Christians will be treated not much differently than Jews (and other minority groups) were treated in Nazi Germany.

Call me an alarmist if you must, but I know what I'm talking about. That's why this fall I'm going up to Alabama to retrieve my small arsenal of firearms and ammunition from my father's hunting property. Most conservatives seem to think that they're the only ones that own guns, I intend on shattering that foolish preconception when worse comes to worst.

Edit: I'm also pretty skilled at making explosives, so make of that what you will.