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emby wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 11:02 am That's it, boys and girls.

The only thing that is going to stop Donald Trump from doing whatever he wants is the electorate. Every single institution in the country has failed to hem this motherfucker up.

Tell me it's not a referendum on Trump.
Egggzactly. The Deep State is learning, albeit slowly. They aren't going to give one reason to question Joey's triumphant victory!

The Outsider wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 11:52 am I would like to thank the Supreme Court for overturning the Chevron Deference so I can experience the same lead paint, tainted water, and shit air that people in the early-mid 1900s did.
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A family fishing company, Loper Bright Enterprises, was being driven out of business, because they couldn't afford the $700 per day they were being charged by the National Marine Fisheries Service to monitor their company.

The thing is, federal law doesn't authorize NMFS to charge businesses for this. They just decided to start doing it in 2013.

Why did they think they could away with just charging people without any legal authorization?
When major corporations realize that the regulatory agencies have the ability to arbitrarily pick winners and losers in their industry, they spare no expense to lobby politicians to put their cronies in charge of those agencies to capture them, give themselves indemnity for the damage they cause, mandate the use of their products and services, have their crony agency chiefs demand subsidies for them, etc.

Corporations have gotten more control over DC since Chevron Deference began, not less.
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The Outsider wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 12:57 pm In related news:
Now you're just hurting feelings.
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PetePierson wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:38 pm
The Outsider wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 12:57 pm In related news:
Now you're just hurting feelings.
I couldn't resist posting that. It made me actually lol when I saw it.
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PetePierson wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:37 pm
emby wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 11:02 am That's it, boys and girls.

The only thing that is going to stop Donald Trump from doing whatever he wants is the electorate. Every single institution in the country has failed to hem this motherfucker up.

Tell me it's not a referendum on Trump.
Egggzactly. The Deep State is learning, albeit slowly. They aren't going to give one reason to question Joey's triumphant victory!

The Outsider wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 11:52 am I would like to thank the Supreme Court for overturning the Chevron Deference so I can experience the same lead paint, tainted water, and shit air that people in the early-mid 1900s did.
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A family fishing company, Loper Bright Enterprises, was being driven out of business, because they couldn't afford the $700 per day they were being charged by the National Marine Fisheries Service to monitor their company.

The thing is, federal law doesn't authorize NMFS to charge businesses for this. They just decided to start doing it in 2013.

Why did they think they could away with just charging people without any legal authorization?
When major corporations realize that the regulatory agencies have the ability to arbitrarily pick winners and losers in their industry, they spare no expense to lobby politicians to put their cronies in charge of those agencies to capture them, give themselves indemnity for the damage they cause, mandate the use of their products and services, have their crony agency chiefs demand subsidies for them, etc.

Corporations have gotten more control over DC since Chevron Deference began, not less.
For your first quote, not sure what that has to do with anything. If a business can't adjust their business model in line with new rules/regulations and the costs associated with them then too fucking bad. Nothing in our constitution guarantees the right for your shitty business to exist in perpetuity.

Good business people are flexible and intelligent enough to figure those types of situations out.

For your second quote, it isn't categorically wrong but whoever said that is pretty fucking stupid. The Chevron Deference didn't increase the hold lobbyists had on politicians. Citizens United did, and that's a completely separate erosion of our protections by the activist conservative justices on our piece of shit Supreme Court.
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The Outsider wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:50 pm For your first quote, not sure what that has to do with anything. If a business can't adjust their business model in line with new rules/regulations and the costs associated with them then too fucking bad. Nothing in our constitution guarantees the right for your shitty business to exist in perpetuity.

Good business people are flexible and intelligent enough to figure those types of situations out.
So just because someone, somewhere decries a group of people "experts", they can levy whatever amount they feel like on private businesses?

Which law gave that authority? We can just make up fees now? That's how we get inept assclowns like the ATF defining which piece of composite turns a legal firearm to an illegal one.
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PetePierson wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 2:16 pm
The Outsider wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:50 pm For your first quote, not sure what that has to do with anything. If a business can't adjust their business model in line with new rules/regulations and the costs associated with them then too fucking bad. Nothing in our constitution guarantees the right for your shitty business to exist in perpetuity.

Good business people are flexible and intelligent enough to figure those types of situations out.
So just because someone, somewhere decries a group of people "experts", they can levy whatever amount they feel like on private businesses?

Which law gave that authority? We can just make up fees now? That's how we get inept assclowns like the ATF defining which piece of composite turns a legal firearm to an illegal one.
Every single government regulation is going to be adjudicated in court. Judges will decide if pollution is bad.
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Sounds about right though. The crown will do as it wishes and the high priests will tell us serfs that the crown was right to do it.

I feel so much freedom right now.
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emby wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 2:35 pm Every single government regulation is going to be adjudicated in court.
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PetePierson wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 2:42 pm
emby wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 2:35 pm Every single government regulation is going to be adjudicated in court.
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Explain to me how you think this is a good thing.
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emby wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 2:43 pm Explain to me how you think this is a good thing.
I could go into some long dissertation and provide countless examples but it comes down to:

You believe the State is altruistic. I believe the State hates and we are nothing more than a massive revenue source so they can pass more laws to fuck us with a telephone pole.
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PetePierson wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 3:06 pm
emby wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 2:43 pm Explain to me how you think this is a good thing.
I could go into some long dissertation and provide countless examples but it comes down to:

You believe the State is altruistic. I believe the State hates and we are nothing more than a massive revenue source so they can pass more laws to fuck us with a telephone pole.
That's it? Thank you for boiling such a terrible premise down to a single sentence.

Go drink some foamy water out of a creek in West Virginia and come back and tell me how THE GOVERNMENT is the one out there treating people as a source of revenue and fucking people with telephone poles.


Christ on a fucking popsicle stick. You bitch about government and start listing off shit that private equity does.


This was a fun one. Was on active duty for two weeks for this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Elk_ ... ical_spill#

Nobody even paid a fucking fine over that shit. Now it's not even going to be illegal.

That big nasty government made them spill those chemicals by asking them not to too many times. Not good enough, Pete.

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